Soap and conditioner have opposite and incompatible roles. Soap strips away dirt and oils. Conditioner replaces the oils stripped away by soap that your hair needs, to maintain health.
You don't really need separate shampoo and body wash, you could wash your hair with standard bar soap. You do need separate conditioner.
Shampoo+conditioner combined together can either clean or apply oils to the hair, but chemically, it cannot do both, despite marketing.
So basically shampoo/soap + conditioner is used to first chemically strip off natural oils and then replace them with chemicals.
Being a short haired dude I struggle to understand how hair, which is basically dead tissue would benefit from moisturizing, though I guess adding oils and silicone will probably make it look more glossy. And obviously give soap more stuff that needs to be removed on cleansing.
I dunno, this seems like a situation that is engineered purely for marketing purposes.
As a woman with long, curly hair, if I don't condition, I go from having nice curly waves to a ball of unmanageable frizz. I've also had to experiment with different shampoos to get the results I want, to clean my hair without damaging it. It definitely isn't engineered for marketing purposes. Ask anyone with long, curly, or kinky hair and they'll tell you how important their hair routine is. If you have short, straight hair, it probably doesn't matter nearly as much. Your hair is fully replaced in a few weeks. I need to keep my hair healthy for years. My hair is down to my sternum, and it took years to get this long. If I didn't take very good care of it with the right soaps and conditioner, it would not be able to be this long or this nice.
Reducing it to just chemicals and chemicals is well, reductive. Basically everything is a chemical. Your natural oils are chemicals. Sweat is a chemical. Dirt is chemicals. We need to wash out some chemicals, but we don't want dry scalps or damaged hair, so we need to use the right soaps and the right conditioner to remove those bad chemicals and replace them with chemicals to mimic our natural oils until they build back up. Most people probably don't need to wash their hair as often as they do, but conditioning is definitely not a marketing scam.
as a guy who often has shoulder length straight hair, if I don't condition, I go from having nice flowing waves to a frizzy dry mess that won't stay in place and just sticks out every which way
most recently I am trying the whole no shampoo thing, so we'll see how that goes
The struggle is real. I'm curious how that will go. My hair gets way too oily.
Being a short haired dude I struggle to understand how hair, which is basically dead tissue would benefit from moisturizing
What about leather, could it benefit from applying a layer of oil? Or wood? Or rubber? Or cast iron? Living tissue is not the only thing physically affected by moisture levels.
Oil seals in moisture to prevent hair from drying out, which, obviously, will change it's texture and elasticity. The skin on your head naturally produces grease to keep your hair moisturized, but when you wash with soap, it strips that grease out. If you shower regularly, you need to replace it.
I used the word "health" because it is commonly used to describe hair texture. You won't be medically unhealthy if you don't use conditioner, but your hair will probably be dry as shit and frizzy.
Body wash - Ass balls dick armpits 7x a week
Water - everything 7x a week
Shampoo - 1x a week
Conditioner - occasionally
Works good for me
If I do anything strenuous or dirty I will soap up my whole body.
Well, If you’d like a woman’s perspective- it will do nothing but strip your skin and hair like extra strength laundry soap. Soap in general is really good at removing oil and dirt but it doesn’t distinguish. That is why conditioner is needed, to put back what the shampoo took out. Mixing them together make them both ineffective. As for soap, most body washes may make your skin soft, or have a certain scent - but you still have to wear lotion after. It’s the body wash’s conditioner so to speak. Shampoo can be modified to be less damaging, be safe for color, skin conditions or treat dandruff.
That’s why 3-1 is a gimmick. You don’t have to have 113 products. Just a shampoo, a conditioner, any soap at all and a good lotion.
“Jack of all trades; master of none”
Better question, how much body hair is required before shampoo becomes the default for everywhere?
It woild never happen as shampoo is meant for not just hair, but oily hair.
Even if you had the hariest of backs, it would probably be overall better for you to use soap.
I shower and wash with dish soap since I'm 12
Go ahead and try a few 3 in one, see if you like any. But I would suggest diluted apple cider vinegar for hair, and biodegradable soap for the body, that's as simple as I've been able to get it.
Apple cider vinegar for fiber (like conditioning hair, and soften clothes) was my favorite thing to learn last year. Its crazy how good they work tbh
I just use bar soap all over
Oh boy, I sure do love stripping all the oil off my skin, creating the perfect conditions for soap resistant, stink producing bacteria to thrive in the desert wasteland of my pores, and making me smell worse in the long run.
Thank you big soap!
This dude showers like once a week, I guarantee it.
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