Bring back Infoseek
DDG is not bing. using bing's index and being bing are two different things, and by the way, I'd use bing over Google's shitty ass shit every day.
Fuck everything, I'm going back to Ask Jeeves.
DDG has the ai summary too
lite.duckduckgo.com is my default search engine. I have other more specific searches for stuff like Wikipedia and sepiasearch, and I use duckduckgo regular for shopping.
I fucking hate ai but ddg's ai summary is the one place I don't mind it. It doesn't open unless I click it, and I only click it when I don't actually give a shit about the correctness of something. It's great for throwaway factoids that you're curious about in the moment but won't remember or care about an hour later lol. Often saves me from wasting time going down a wikipedia rabbithole when I need to be doing something else
yeah idk what theyre talking about
DDG at least has a setting to disable it and I believe a separate URL if you don't wanna use an account or cookies to save the setting
Thats honestly why I use Qwant. They're from europe (France) and even tho they still rely on Bing they are working with Ecosia to build their own independent european search index
So ecosia doesn't rely on google nor bing?
Ecosia does still rely on Bing, and will for a while. But they are building their own search index and started rolling it out for more and more search queries and languages last year.
I use Ecosia. There's just a regular setting to turn the AI thing off. It's like 1 of 5 settings they have in total.
No they're building their own open european search index currently with Qwant
It's not just bing. It's results from bing, Google and eusp.
And DDG uses Bing and Yandex
Google's been getting worse, but it's not like Bing has been getting better. Maybe it's just the way I search for things, but I can never get Bing to work.
Vague... they're going to gouge their eyes out or they're going to become oedipus and fuck their own mom?
I use DDG just because they have !bangs and it saves me so much time.
!yt searches YouTube !imdb searches IMDb
And so on.
Looking over their Wikipedia page, DDG looks like they're reasonably independent.
Why is everyone saying they're just Bing?
DDG gets its results from other search engines. Bing is one of them.
There was also a big thing about DDG allegedly selling user data to Microsoft, which the living brain donors of 4chan probably interpreted as DDG being a different front-end to Bing.
It wasn't exactly selling, but it also wasn't alleged. They made an exception for Microsoft's tracking scripts in their tracking script blocking settings on their phone apps and extensions in exchange for utilizing bing as a backend. Here is the blog post where they walked it back after backlash.
I have heard about them selling search data to bing. While concerning, I don't think that's quite the same thing. I get how 4Chan could blow that out of proportion.
There are really only two usable search engines actually indexing the entire Internet: Google and Bing. Yandex also does but I've never seen it recommended for anything other than Russian language content (the company itself seems to be falling down a mineshaft at the moment). Baidu also does some although every Chinese exchange student I talked to about it (admittedly not many) advised only using it when Google is blocked. Every other engine is just wrapping Google or Bing (yes that includes Yahoo and DDG)
This is the kind of ugly truth of the search engine business. It's a duopoly at least in part because the indicies are expensive to scrape, build, and run. You need to continuously run a large number of servers loading web pages and often running scripts. You need to be large enough to negotiate with content providers not to block you. Keep in mind paying them may bankrupt you as your margins will be thin. Google has a huge advantage here they own a good chunk of the online advertising industry and can afford to throw money around in a way a search only company wouldn't be able to (this is why the European and Canadian link tax schemes ironically cement the existing monopolies). You need to continuously run large linear aglebra transforms on the results (PageRank is expensive). You need to store all your indicies on large expensive servers with a lot of memory as hitting disk may take too long. Results need to be fast and you will make next to nothing on each search.
Can you link any sources on this?
I think that's my big hesitance to believe it, there just doesn't seem evidence (besides other commenter mentioning an anecdotal tank man reference).
In the wikipedia article:
DuckDuckGo's results are a compilation of "over 400" sources according to itself, including Bing, Yahoo! Search BOSS, Wolfram Alpha, Yandex, and its own web crawler (the DuckDuckBot); but none from Google.[69][7][70][71][72] It also uses data from crowdsourced sites such as Wikipedia, to populate knowledge panel boxes to the right of the search results.[71][73] During a Bing API outage in 2024, DuckDuckGo stopped showing results, indicating that Bing provided a substantial portion of DuckDuckGo's results.[74][75]
There are other options, qwant, ecosia…
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