In a way he's sort of like westboro baptist church in the states. Once universally despised now outdone by more crazy and sort of forgotten about
I’m from Topeka, home of Westboro. One year, the protested my high school band concert
You are so right. Even in my home town, they are a small nuisance compared Trump. Part of that has to do with the patriarch of the cult dying in 2014, but part of it is absolutely because Trump is crazier and more nonsensical than they are. And that’s saying something.
He hasn't been the craziest one for almost four years now.
Dude is looking much more reasonable than all the American allies that don't have nukes.
The western world having a surprised Pikachu face when the American empire starts treating them like it does the entire global South.
Please, please realize that the actions America is taking are (1) not because of Trump alone. He is the leader that enacts the interest of its wealthy ruling class. (2) This is not new. This has been what the US has done for decades. The only thing that is new is who its being done to.
You (your nations leaders) all watched and "felt bad" as it enabled a genocide in Gaza. Some even condemning it while continuing to arm Israel as not to upset America. This cannot be understated. This gave America the confidence to do what it is doing now. Gaza was a testing ground.
Now, that empire asks you to bend the knee and remove the illusion of self sovereignty.
Korean people, Vietnamese people, Iraqi people, etc. Might want to read some of the struggles against empire from their perspective. Because that's what is happening now. You can still think "that won't happen to us". Well, you might want to prepare for that.
Because "the 65%" of normal citizen in the US don't want any of this either but they are just as inactive as you are. Your resistance gives us in the US more power to resist as well. We need to realize that this not a fight between nations and leaders. But a fight against the people of the world. Our blind eye towards Gaza and other crimes has given the green light for it to be done to us.
We are not fighting against nations. We are fighting against the rulers of wealth. We are sitting in the fascist imperial core being subject to SS troops going door to door. You (in the rest of the west) will see material conditions decline as your politicians are pressured by their own wealthy ruling class to give in to the empires demands. You cannot let that happen. America needs to be choked. It needs to be sanctioned and boycott and if necessary fought against. Do not let your politicians give in; and you cannot afford to continue to be inactive.
Totally underrated comment.
Yeah exactly its a leapords ate my face situation, after decades of killing brown in the middle east, and korean/vietnamese and latin american populations, the europeans are now acting surprised that they are next, recently when trump leaked a text between him and macron and macron saying how they are “inline with syria and iran but need to talk about greenland”, we saw the attitude of the “leaders” in real time, they want to kill and murder brown people for resources and dominance but think the american empire and the orange man will spare their own people, well it seems its not working out now is it
Genuinely can’t tell if that’s real or an edit lmao
Gods damn I’d pay good money to see him give it a go
Best buds🤗
Trump is jealous that he still has to poop, unlike Glorious Leader Kim Jong.
They are awfully close, though. Both in scale of insanity and in affection for each other.
Too true to be funny ;)
Never was.
Cringe
Idk man, I'm no fan of the whole Kim cult of personality thing. But anyone with a cursory understanding of modern Korean history could see that the foreign policy actions of the DPRK are largely quite rational, if also informed by the trauma of the Korean war.
The United States dropped so many bombs that Koreans took to living in caves. American pilots complained that there simply wasn't anything left to bomb.
I think what's actually cringe is sitting on your computer and being a smug prick about it
What a load of steaming bullshit lmao
Nothing about the current North Korean regime or the Kim dynasty is in any way, shape, or form logical, rational, or justified. The Kims are unhinged tyrants who have fucked over their entire country to give themselves power.
The very notion that war "trauma" leads to totalitarian regimes like this is nonsense made up by Marxists to justify the existence of this indefensible regime. There have been soooooooo many countries that went through war since WWII and were devastated by it, and none turned out like this.
America went crazy over planes flying into a couple towers and started two wars over it. Now imagine it was every building in the country.
That's a creatively disingenuous way to describe 9/11
Sorry, there was also a plane that hit a pentagonal building, and one that hit a field. Still not much compared to having your entire country bombed to rubble.
Once again, that's a very disingenuous way to describe 9/11
How so?
First of all, 9/11 was and still is the biggest and deadliest terrorist attack in modern history. Nothing comes close in terms of death toll or scale. 9/11 was and still is the single biggest attack on US soil since the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor during WWII. It was so unprecedented that it left the world's wealthiest, most advanced, most powerful did in complete disarray.
The Al Qaeda terrorists managed to successfully infiltrate the US mainland, hijack 4 civilian planes from an American airport, and crashed them all at targets meant to damage the country's national symbols. Even though one of the planes failed to hit the target thanks to the heroic acts of the passengers on board, they still managed to crash a plane into the Pentagon and 2 planes that destroyed the WTC, killing over 3000 civilians.
It was shocking, so horrible, and so insane that virtually every country at the time expressed condolences and support to the vicitms. Even America's enemies at the time like Iran, Cuba, and North Korea condemned the attacks. There were vigils held in over 100 countries. In the nearly 25 years since then, the only events that received a similar level of global condemnation was ISIS during 2014/15 and Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022. That's about it.
9/11 was not a minor event by any means like you're trying to make it out to be. The fact that you're trying to downplay what it was just shows that you're 100% engaging in bad faith from the get go.
Second of all, the only two active wars that US has engaged in since then. There was the Afghanistan war started in 1999, which was done because of 9/11 because the Taliban worked with Bin Laden and refused to extradite him to the US when asked. There was also the Iraq war which was done under the false pretense that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, it wasn't started over 9/11.
When countries get attacked by terrorist like this, they usually attack back very hard and very quickly. When India had Pahalgam attack back in April, they nearly went to war with Pakistan. When Israel was attacked by Hamas, they bulldozed Gaza. When France got attacked by ISIS they become the leaders on the fight against ISIS. When Russia got attacked by Chechen separatists, they want to war with Chechnya. No country is going to sit idly when a massive terrorist attack by an external entity is carried out against them. The US is no different.
Finally, there have been A LOT of countries since the Korean war that have been devastated by war. You have Iraq, Ukraine, Yemen, Vietnam, Cambodia, Lebanon, Somalia, Syria, and the list goes on and on. Yet not a single one of them ended up being as shutoff as North Korea. Even countries that were completely burnt down like Japan and Germany managed to recover after WWII just a decade prior to the Korean war starting.
The point is that this idea that "war trauma" is the reason why North Korea turned out to be the way that it is complete horseshit and has zero basis in reality. If that was the case then half the world would be as isolated, extremist, and tyrannical as North Korea... but they're not. The reality is this notion is nothing more than piss poor excuse to justify the evils of this regime from people who are unironically dump enough to support it. There's nothing rational, logical, or sensible in the way that North Korea is run today.
It's so closed off that people their can't visit their relatives in the South, people can't travel abroad, they can't even access the internet. The people there are just as clueless about the world as we are about them. Our only source on the society there is from defectors who made the brave journey of escaping, and all of their stories consistently describe the most horrific shit happening inside the country. From slavery to starvation to torture to pure 1984 styled tyranny. How is that okay to you? What part of this regime or how its run makes sense to you? It's indefensible
2 buildings vs. all of them. Incomparable.The rabid dog genocidaires of the United $naKKKes will assuredly be punished for their crimes
Last I checked the Korean war didn't happen because of 9/11, it happened because North Korea, which was funded and armed by the Soviet Union, invaded South Korea with the intent of occupying the whole peninsula by force against the will of the people in the South. The US intervened on the behalf of the legitimate government of Korea, and pushed pack the Kim Il Sung's invasion back to the 38th parallel. Because of America's intervention. South Korea managed to transform itself from an impoverished and backwards dictatorship into one of the world's freest, most prosperous, most advanced nations. North Korea on the other hand remained an impoverished and backwards dictatorship that only managed to get worse because the Kim dynasty put their people through a massive famine and some of the world's worst tyranny.
If you're going to sit here and try to unironically simp for fucking North Korea of all places then kindly go fornicate yourself with a lead pipe.
You're extremely mistaken regarding the Korean war. The South was not the "legitimate government" of Korea, it was an American-installed dictatorship made up of collaborators from the previous Japanese occupation. The North had a much greater claim to being the legitimate government, and Kim Il Sung, having fought the Japanese rather than being a collaborator, would have won nationwide elections had the American occupation allowed them.
The 38th parallel was not an internationally recognized border, and didn't become one until after the war. It was just the demarcation between the two occupation zones. South Korea made plenty of incursions into the North before the war, it's just that the North pulled the trigger on an all-out invasion, and they had every right to do so given that half of their country was occupied by a hostile imperial power.
Nobody's "stanning" North Korea, you dolt. We're talking about history, and the history is that the United States pursued a campaign of genocidal terror-bombing against North Korea, destroying every city, town, and piece of civilian infrastructure. They used biological weapons developed by Imperial Japan's Unit 731, they doused villages full of people with napalm. It is in no way inaccurate to say that it was a war of extermination that you undertook against them. To top it off, after the armistice, you imposed a perpetual economic siege and military encirclement, in their eyes threatening to resume hostilities at any time. Is it any wonder that they would end up "sooo craaaazy and evil"? All I said was that the US went a lot crazier per building destroyed than they did.
Most of your claims are either misleading or outright false. I'll just go through the main ones:
Legitimacy of governments: Neither Korean state emerged from nationwide self determination, but between the two, South Korea was way more legitimate. It was recognized by the United Nations in 1948 following UN supervised elections. Those elections were limited to the South because the Soviet Union refused to permit UN observers in the North. North Korea’s government was established under direct Soviet occupation, with Kim Il Sung selected and installed by Moscow. This is not disputed by historians.
Kim Il Sung and elections: There is no evidence that Kim Il Sung would have won free, nationwide elections. This is pure speculation. Kim was not a dominant national figure in 1945, and the North itself never allowed free elections. Opposition parties were eliminated early, including before the war. Claiming inevitable electoral victory is propaganda, not history.
38th parallel: You're correct that the 38th parallel was not an official border before the war. It was just the line of demarcation between U.S. and Soviet occupation zones in 1945, but after the war, the armistice did establish it as a de facto border.
Border incursions: There were border clashes and provocations by both sides before 1950. That does not change the fact that North Korea launched a full scale, planned invasion on June 25, 1950, using tanks, artillery, and coordinated divisions with Soviet equipment and Stalin’s approval. This is established by Soviet archival evidence. Calling this justified or defensive is an ideological claim, not a factual one.
Bombing and “genocide”: The U.S. bombing campaign was devastating and caused enormous civilian suffering. That is true. What is false is calling it genocide. There was no policy or intent to exterminate Koreans as a people. At the same time, your account omits that North Korean and Soviet backed forces carried out extensive atrocities in the South, including mass executions of civilians, political prisoners, and suspected opponents. Brutality in the war was not one sided.
Biological weapons: The claim that the U.S. used biological weapons derived from Unit 731 is false. These allegations originated from North Korean and Chinese wartime propaganda and have been discredited. No credible documents or physical evidence supports them, and post Cold War archival research confirms they were fabricated.
Postwar “siege”: What siege? 2/3 of the borders that North Korea has are with its allies, Russia and China. It has maritime access to both of them. There's NOTHING stopping North Korea from trading with other countries, the Kim dynasty actively chooses to keep it to a bare minimum even if it comes at the comes of their citizens' well being because they want total control.
Threatening to resume hostilities: You sure got things backwards. The reason why the U.S. has a continued military presence in South Korea is because the South Korean government requests it and pays for it. Why? Because the US military acts as the ultimate deterrent to prevent North Korean hostilities. North Korea still actively threatens North Korea with nukes, invasions, and they also occasionally do some minor attacks. For all intents and purposes, the Korean war never ended and no formal peace agreement was signed. The reason for this because North Korea refuses to proceed with talks in good faith.
You are so wrong because you consistently replace documented facts with ideological framing. You treat speculation as evidence, erase Soviet responsibility, excuse a war of conquest, and repeat debunked propaganda. That is not historical analysis. I'm talking history, you're not. Not to mention that your entire thesis here doesn't even answer the central question of this whole conversation, which is why does North Korea have insane levels of tyranny? I'm saying it's a result of the Kim dynasty's evil and greed as other war torn countries did not end up being this locked, isolated, and totalitarian. It is entirely unjustified and the regime is to blame. You, on the other hand, are saying that their tyranny it's because of war that stopped being hot 70 years ago and 9/11. You're not a serious person and that's not a serious stance.
"The reason why the U.S. has a continued military presence in South Korea is because the South Korean government requests it and pays for it." Imagine how cucked you'd have to be to pay for your own occupation force voluntarily, God damn.
Nobody’s “stanning” North Korea, you dolt. We’re talking about history
Remember when you wrote this? Yeah, it turns out I was completely right and you are full of shit lmao.
Imagine how cucked you’d have to be to pay for your own occupation force voluntarily,
Occupation is when a country's democratic government works with its allies to protect its sovereignty, which has brought the nation unprecedented levels of prosperity, peace, and freedom from a tyrannical regime who frequently threatens its existence. You're an actual idiot.
Like what is even the point of this comment? You don't seem to follow what the topic is anymore. You don't even have a point to make. The reality is that you're just butthurt that I called out the North Korean regime for what it is. I made an extremely obvious and true statement, and you got mad it at and so you tried to counter reality with a series of propaganda diarrhea comments that you tried to hide under the guise of "discussing history". When bullshit claims got so thoroughly debunked, your true form of a seething brain dead ideologue has come to reveal itself, and this is what you really are.
You have no sources, no logic, no facts, no explanations, no points, nothing. You're so brain dead and so brainwashed that it literally doesn't matter how valid or true my statements are, you will forever continue to double down on a false ideological narrative and will continue to shit out these nonsensical comments like a bot until I give up. Like seriously, is there any chance in hell you would ever see sense and have your mind changed? I know there isn't. Luckily, I've talked to one too many of your type to know where this is going. Therefore, it's wise for me to bow out now because there is no value left in this discussion. You simply don't deserve another reply, so have a good day.
Calm down, Ben shapiro
Why are you still here? Go troll elsewhere
he was never as crazy as putin, or trump. Kim held on a leash by CHINA, XI.
I wouldn’t call trump crazy. Senile? Yes. Dumb? Yes. Overly prideful? Yes. Bigoted? Yes. Crazy? No. He’s just beholden to nothing and no one relevant to our perspectives.
Didn't he want to nuke a hurricane, back in like 2017? After someone told him that just changing the expected course with an expo market on a map doesn't actually do anything?
That's like first-grader logic and problem solving right there. I don't even know if it is true but the fact that it could be tells you everything you need to know about his mental capacity...
Senile and has dementia could loosely be called crazy.
He is old af, in diapers and talking to the yard about his ballroom while in meetings. He's lost it occasionally and sundowns occasionally. He is not up for the job.
He is not up for the job.
Totally agree, but i'd say he is sane. It's just that he has a different sense of what is normal, a different view on what is morally okay and priorities that are different than those of the average politician. But being crazy is imo different than doing something crazy. I think you could actually do a lot of crazy things without actually being crazy, which is how i see what is happening in the US gov.
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