The people who flooded the subreddit with sorry are fucking dumb.
And when you blame all Americans, this is what you sound like:
The funny part to me is the people who actually support Trump are laughing their asses off that the euros are mad. They love it more than they love owning the libs. Hate is what they based their entire personality around, you cannot out-hate a fascist.
But you can out murder them. See: Germany.
Maybe we should try that again.
Currently adult Americans had like ten different elections that allowed them to not end up in this mess. They failed like 8 of those, so here we are.
The amount of blame is directly proportional to the amount of agency people had. US was, until very recently, a democracy. A bit shitty one, but still, so everyone who was of a voting age share some of that responsibility.
Hitler was elected multiple times as well. His party didn't have any more support than trump does. If we had more than a two party system, we would have elected Trump by the same margins as Hitler.
The problem is that kind and peaceful people are so reluctant to respond to violence with violence. If the first Nazis, upon starting their drivel, were promptly punched in the mouth, and that happened repeatedly, I feel they would have gotten a lot less done.
And when you blame all Americans, this is what you sound like
So you agree with the position that Russians shouldn't be punished for the war with Ukraine?
I'm sure not all Germans in WW2 were bad, but we still collectively punished them, because they were there and let it happen. 70% of Americans knowingly didn't vote against this and that's a high enough percentage to hold them collectively responsible, without even delving into all the complacency and complicity that lead to the point where it was even possible.
See they are actually 2 very different situations, because only 30% of German voters voted for the Nazis, whereas 50% of America voters voluntarily got off their arses to cast a vote for Trump (i.e. vote for a sexual abuser, and a platform of division and hatred) .......
No, it was also about 30% for Trump. Most people just don't vote at all and the electoral college was designed to bypass popular votes.
Approx. 17.3 million people voted for the nazis in 1933, total population was 67.7 million, for 25.5% of the population.
Approx. 77.3 million people voted for trump in 2024, total population was 340.1 million, for 22.7% of the population.
No, the fascist gained power here with even less of a mandate than the nazis.
263 million Americans decided they didn't care enough to vote against a convicted sexual abuser running their country...
Yes, we have a disenfranchisement problem in the US. Between voter rolls being purged, people losing their right to vote due to felonies, gerrymandering out the ass, voter ID and other such nonsense trying to stop legal votes, and purposeful locking down/ limiting of voting places, it's honestly impressive so many were still able to vote. Doesn't change that what you said was wrong.
And it's 188 million, unless you think a vote for Harris wasn't voting against Trump.
Yes that's a problem but you directly asserted that a larger percentage of Americans voted for it than Germans did in the past which is flatly wrong. Interesting that you didn't even acknowledge that whatsoever
I'm a trans American sitting here everyday wondering when they will send me to a fucking camp or prison for existing. The problem is that it's only people like me who ever go out and do anything because Americans are selfish as fuck. Anything that doesn't directly affect them is a non-issue. I'm not sorry to the world because I've been protesting, speaking out, and generally being defiant for years. Anyone who says they are sorry are the same idiots who send thoughts and prayers.
They're not done with brown people just yet, and they just started floating the idea of registering all the autists so they are probably gonna do that minority first. Please wait your turn.
I feel like we’re all missing the point here. Sure, most people probably didn’t want THIS to happen, and want to distance themselves from the those who voted for him most recently. The reality is way more layered than that. It’s not just those that voted for him once, or even twice. All of our actions and inactions that led to the politicians and presidents prior to this being elected, allowed the policies and loopholes for this to happen. And so much more! This should have never been an option for us to choose. We all helped in some capacity whether we realize it or not. It’s now impacting the rest of the world more clearly than ever, and they’re mad. They should be. We need to do better.
I also get swamped with downvotes when I tell people the objective fact that far, far more of us are responsible for the state of things than anyone wants to admit.
The chief sin we all carry is lack of involvement with our local and state governing, or even just basic community-building. We ignored warning signs, we set the problems aside in our every-day life. We didn't organize ahead of time when we saw redpill kids rising in numbers across online spaces and Donald Trump memes growing in popularity. We didn't push in a real-world way to mitigate the harm being done by outside influences, misinformation and online grifting of our feelings.
Imagine if more of us volunteered to serve on school boards and had a voice in those spaces and said "Hey, I'm seeing a LOT of young guys right now online saying they just hate women and dating and hate themselves, like, it's growing, we really need to get ahead of this and start talking to the students here, maybe some after-school reach out and structured life-coaching before these young guys start going to washed-out British kickboxers for help."
Would it have changed the world? Probably not, but it all adds up, every thing we can do helps towards making a better future, it doesn't have to be a singular action that shakes up the status-quo.
Yeah, it's been a slow decline over many years, and it's been painful to watch, but it's also very hard to turn a ship as big as the US.
I think it's unfair to blame present-day Americans for the current state of affairs, when millions of Americans in 2003 protested the Iraq War and didn't get any result, when the DHS was already cracking down on peaceful protests in 2012 and since then it's been 4 years of an openly fascist government who'd never be swayed by protest, followed by 4 years of "healing" (but mostly pandemic). And I wouldn't say the Americans have been complacent in the last year, it's the most chaotic shit I've ever seen, with already 2 political assassinations and a string of massive protests.
It's easy to think people did more in the past, but we only get the highlights in the history books. An assassination defines a decade. It takes years of organizing to get a victory.
So don't blame the current generation, America's been pretty fascist for 25+ years and very resistant to change. I just hope this is their opportunity to change it for the better.
Decades? USA has been manifesting destiny since before it was established and never has truly reformed from those times and never wanted to.
The majority of americans have believed themselves ubermensch before the concept and before the nation, and continue to do so.
How the fuck did I help? I gathered signatures for the 2020 primaries in Mississippi. I moved from Mississippi to Washington to get out of the cesspool. I got involved in my local elections. I canvassed for my local progressive politicians. I went to protests to be a part of one of the largest American protests of my generation. It’s not my fault that I wasn’t born in Africa to an emerald mine family to be able to buy large media corporations and spew bullshit and buy elections. It’s not my fault that people are corrupt up top.
This is giving major “yet you participate in society” vibes.
I gathered signatures for the 2020 primaries in Mississippi. I moved from Mississippi to Washington to get out of the cesspool. I got involved in my local elections. I canvassed for my local progressive politicians.
We're not talking to you, you did what you could, go to the back of the line please and put the indignation in a secure box to use later.
But also understand that if you really did these things, you make up a razor-thin margin of people, the vast, vast majority of people don't involve themselves at all in their community. Like, an absurd amount of people do not care what's going on in their city or their local elections, and people like you are such a small minority that we can say broadly that "everyone" is responsible without you needing to feel you personally are being singled-out.
I didn't vote for this shit, in fact I voted and warned against it for 3 elections in a row.
Sadly 1/3 of Americans actively support this shit, while.another 1/3 were more than happy to sit back and let it happen.
Americans at large deserve this. I have to constantly remind myself that this is what people in this country voted for, and it's only right for us to suffer the consequences of our elections, otherwise people here will never learn. I do feel sorry for the people who get caught up in this stupidity, but there are too many Americans who are shielded from the consequences of their words and actions.
I truly do care and feel for all Americans right now. What any one individual can do IS limited and we need to acknowledge that. Of course, throughout the course of history there has been "heros" but most of us aren't and demanding that all Americans that does see the madness should "do something about it" is really not helping. I mean, i hope that some of you (us based people) will, but being in you position... I dont know, i hope I'd had the courage, but man... I dont know. Also, what tf do i do? My great "contribution" is trying to boycot American products... Bigwoop me.
God, this is how so much of the internet feels right now. We're all staring down the barrel of a gun, but God forbid we say anything out of turn or it's #NotAllAmericans until your screen explodes.
The post from yesterday about the Greenland subreddit was very telling. Greenland and by extension Europe is threatened by America, Americans that don't share the blame, sure, go to a subreddit and flood it with "sorry" posts. That pisses people actually from the subreddit because it's counter productive, so they complain.
Suddenly Americans on Lemmy are pissed at them because how dare they get pissed at us "showing empathy"! Nah, empathy would. Be to shut the fuck up, empathy would be to recognise that flooding a subreddit with "I'm sorry" posts is annoying at best. The gall of those people to say "how date Greenland era not want us having empathy" when their actions don't actually show it... Sickening.
Then there's all of them that seem hurt by us outsiders lumping them all together. I get that, I get that y'all didn't really have a choice, really. Y'all need to get that when tensions are this high, people are not gonna use the most correct wording and as the ones in risk of being invaded, they reserve the right for being impolite to all the other Americans by generalising.
The entitlement that Americans in general have that we outsiders need to consider their personal situation before generalising them when the situation is this fucking critical... No. Grow some skin and get used to be generalised if your government is the one invading, even if you didn't have a choice. Sorry to say but bad luck, you are gonna catch some strays.
I say this as a man that has to read generalised hate towards men by women and the LGBT community because they don't have the energy to use the most proper wording. It's fine. Energies are high, people are venting. We are not talking about you personally.
Complaining that you catching stray shots from potential invadees makes y'all looks so much worse.
Btw, sorry if I used a lot of "you" when referring to Americans in this reply, while not referring to you, Voroxpete. I hope my wording was clear.
Europe is threatened by The United States, not the nation (group of culturally similar people) of America.
I said it on another post, the people of Rotterdam looking at the nazis marching on their city were not responsible for the feelings of the innocent Germans who didn't support hitlers rise to power. These Americans who think they are so special they deserve to be grouped separately by the victims of their country are just like the people who post "thoughts and prayers" when something horrible happens.
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