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submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by sbeak@sopuli.xyz to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

You have the "1D" political compass of left vs right, but those terms are so broad they can describe completely opposite viewpoints. Then there's the "2D" political compass with authoritarian/libertarian and the classic left/right, but that is still quite broad and doesn't fit every ideology and belief well. If someone were to create a fully fleshed out N-dimensional political compass that could ~~accurately summarise~~ generalise to a reasonable degree of accuracy* a person's political perspective, how many axes are needed, and what would they be?

Of the top of my head, I can think of a few:

  • authoritarian vs anti-authoritarian (on the extremes, you would have dictator bootlickers who support a one-rules-all style system and anarchists advocating for no authority at all)
  • internationalism vs nationalism
  • egalitarianism vs traditionalism (social equality vs hierarchal society)
  • environmentalist vs anti-environmentalist (every policy must consider environmental impacts vs cLiMaTe ChAnGe Is A hOaX)
  • progressive vs conservative (or pro-change vs anti-change)
  • intellectualism vs anti-intellectualism (pro-science vs anti-science)
  • free vs regulated economy (on the extremes, no government influence of the economy at all and a state-run economy)

Please don't treat this as an argument over why your politics are better! Debating politics is the worst kind of internet argument one can consume themselves into...

Also, please note that this post is not intended to attack anyone with the above viewpoints. Just want to make that clear.

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[-] blueduck@piefed.social 5 points 3 months ago

One dimension:

Willingness to share Liberties with other people

Far Right = Ayn Rand

Far Left = some guy who just wants to live in a van down by the river and smoke weed all day

[-] zlatiah@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

As a researcher doing data-stuff: there actually is a somewhat objective way to answer this! I don't know the answer to the question itself though... and the method is quite boring

Usually how data scientists do this is to first collect a bunch of data... let's say we have a 200~300 question comprehensive survey about ppl's political beliefs. This survey would have a dimension of 200-300. We can include all of them but they would offer diminishing information (& is very confusing), so usually people trim it down to the most important dimensions only. We then apply dimensionality reduction/manifold method to reduce highly similar dimensions. I think in social sciences people call this factor analysis. Usually in my field people do PCA followed by UMAP, social scientists I think may do something differently but PCA is quite universal

Then researchers will be able to tell a few mathematically identified dimensions that contribute the most to the results. Say if the first dimension contributes 70% of the variation of people's differences, and the second dimension another 25%... then we would have a 2-dimension model that can explain 95% of the differences and would be good enough. If the first dimension only 10%, second 8%... then a good model will need a lot more dimensions. This doesn't tell what the dimensions are though, that's up to the researchers to identify. If all of these work well, we'd have a simple, N-dimension model suggesting how people's political beliefs are... and some of these might not map to what people would intuitively think of

Unless I'm mistaken, Big Five personality traits is developed this way for example... About politics, I found a 2013 research article that suggested two political dimensions: economic and social ideology

I guess this doesn't quite answer the question... it just states how political dimensions (or any dimensions in data fields, really) came from, and the fact that there's an old paper suggesting a two factor model of economic + social ideology. I don't know how many dimensions are sufficient for politics, not to count for the fact that different countries/cultures treat this differently

[-] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 2 points 3 months ago

Oh, that's a very cool study. However, here's an important bit that should help with interpreting it.

Our goal is not to provide a comprehensive account of ideology in the U.S. public, but rather it is to make a convincing case that unidimensional treatments of ideology obscure important (and interesting) complexities in the antecedents of political orientations. We believe this goal to be best served by keeping the analyses tractable. We thus exclude a number of issues from consideration, focusing on the two core domains of social and economic conservatism. In particular, we do not address issues associated with race, immigration, or foreign policy. These are obviously core issues in American politics, and future work needs to expand on the present article to explore additional complexities arising from these issues.

I really hope someone has dumped a gazillion questions into a similar process. Would be really curious to find out how many dimensions you would really need to explain the data.

Anyway, the economic and social dimensions definitely are needed as a foundation of any political model. If you did a more comprehensive study, you would obviously add some more dimensions on this foundation.

[-] klymilark@herbicide.fallcounty.omg.lol 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'd say a 3D one is good for most cases. Personal freedom, economic freedom, and political freedom, AKA the NationStates ~~Non~~-Political compass.

Functionally, though, while it's an easy visual I don't necessarily know how useful political compasses are in general. One of my main gripes with the currently popular one is that it's personal+economic freedom, and I don't think there should be an economy at all[1]. I end up very lib left on it (something like -8,-8 or -9,-9) despite, again, not thinking economy is something that should even exist. Would that lean me more right on the economy, or left? Who's to say! You're not economically free if there is none, but also you're as economically free as you want to be!

1: My political ideals are not how I vote, so I go as close as I functionally can.

[-] positiveWHAT@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

If you don't want an economy (money) to balance resources, how would you do it?

[-] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Not the person you asked, but any need/want. Like, in a post scarcity world there could be a central bank where the robots contribute resources and people request them as needed/desired. No money needed.

[-] positiveWHAT@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Oh yes, the dream! You''ve read Ian Banks's The Culture series?

[-] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Not yet, but it's on my reading list!

Based on need. Money (broadly) doesn't do a great job at balancing resources, and while based on needs gets difficult when resources are scarce, America (at least) relies on overproduction anyway, so we do have the resources in a lot of key areas. Enough food is thrown away to feed all of the hungry, we have more empty homes than homeless people, unused clothing is thrown away end masse, etc etc, without even getting into how a lot of things are designed to be disposable that really don't need to be.

[-] positiveWHAT@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah, that idea is left *and probabably authoritarian. For it to work you have to take things from the owners.

[-] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

How about something about supporting the people who are poor, unemployed, or sick? Socialists and leftists love it, while right-wing capitalists hate it. I don’t know how to phrase it concisely like you did.

And then there's also the classic socialist-capitalist debate about worker rights. So employee rights could be another axis. Should the owner just exploit the workers or do the workers get to have weekends off, 8 h workdays, various vacations, safe working environment, fair wages etc.

Oh, and then there are various language based divisions too. There are entire parties dedicated to supporting specific language groups, but I guess you could summarize it as "support of minority language groups". How about just lumping all minority groups into a single axis? How about something like: minority rights vs. majority? Nowadays, that includes sexual and gender minorities too.

How about city vs. rural life? Not too many decades ago, farming was a big part of life, so there were also many farmers who voted. Hence, we had farmer parties, and we still do to some extent. Now that farming is mostly automated, not that many voters care about farming. It's just another industry, just like steel, paper or electronics. Historically speaking, city. vs rural life was definitely a political axis. Nowadays, not so much.

In any case, it's a really complicated topic, so we're going to need a lot of dimensions. Your suggestions are a good start. Just add a few more, and eventually you have enough. If you're really technical about it, each and every question is a new dimension, but if you should group them together into broader topics. That way, you're definitely going to end up in at least 20 dimensions.

[-] BigBolillo@mgtowlemmy.org 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

IMHO is more like a political 3D spectrum between globalism and nationalism.

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