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How ICE Already Knows Who Minneapolis Protesters Are (www.nytimes.com)
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Agents use facial recognition, social media monitoring and other tech tools not only to identify undocumented immigrants but also to track protesters, current and former officials said.

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[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

The IDF is training ICE

This technology was developed by palantir to assist Israel with their settler colonialist genocide target Palestinians, journalists and children

Our politicians are still being blackmailed by Israeli intelligence because Epstein and Ghisline were Mossad

Washington is literally occupied by Israeli assets

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/retired-green-beret-whistleblower-claims-ice-trains-israel-bring-apartheid-tactics-us-1769427

https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/palantir-allegedly-enables-israels-ai-targeting-amid-israels-war-in-gaza-raising-concerns-over-war-crimes/

https://www.democracynow.org/2025/11/12/epstein_israel

https://www.trackaipac.com/congress

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/75-democrats-express-gratitude-to-ice-in-antisemitism-vote-amid-la-riots/ar-AA1GoYn7

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

Yeah even with your sources you're making some VERY grand claims there.

I'm sure Israel and Mossad have their fingers in US politics but to claim that Epstein was a Mossad agent, you're going to need some big evidence to backt that up or just take it down because we already have enough conspiratorial bullshit out here

[-] Rooster326@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I am confused on this.

They simultaneously get only 47 days of training.

But somehow they've got Mussad level training.

Please make it make sense.

They certainly do not appear to have a high level or training in any video I have ever seen

[-] Afaithfulnihilist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

They're not being trained to be elite troops the way that people mythologize the IDF who somehow managed to miss all of the warnings about October the 7th and can't tell the difference between a baby and a bomb.

They're being trained to be the enforcers of apartheid. Racistly motivated government shock troops don't have to be competent or capable they just have to be cruel and follow orders.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Facist state

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

If you think that any nation-state with the money to implement this shit isn't doing it already, I have a bridge to sell you.

Surveillance is a matter of power and maintaining it, far more than any ideological thing. There are already people being caught by this sort of shit in the UK and Europe as well.

[-] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago

Those are fascist states too. You can't make use of this kind of technology and still claim to be the good guys. Fascisms not a left or right thing, both sides of the aisle can slide into that kind of behavior.

[-] OccasionallyFeralya@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

Fascism is in fact a right wing system

[-] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

I did some reading, it seems I had a misunderstanding of some of the finer details. Perhaps authoritarian or totalitarianism are better terms? I'm not sure, but regardless, I fail to see how many of the tactics of fascism couldn't be employed by the political left, which I guess is the point I was originally getting at.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I fail to see how many of the tactics of fascism

Leftism overtly opposes the tools of fascism: sexism, racism, imperialism, nationalism, etc.

Maybe you should more reading before posting about this topic.

[-] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Except left-wing nationalism is a thing that exists. And those aren't the only tools of fascism. Fascists are known to control mass media, but thats not inherently a right wing thing. Corruption and cronyism aren't mutually exclusive to the right. Military supremacy isn't inherently right wing. What am I missing here?

[-] athatet@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 months ago

If the left employed fascist tactics then they stop being the left.

[-] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

So communist governments that have used media control, militarism, cronyism, violated human rights, etc., aren't left-wing?

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 months ago

So communist governments that have used media control, militarism, cronyism, violated human rights, etc., aren’t left-wing?

No, they're state capitalist.

[-] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

So communist governments have never existed?

[-] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No, it's in principle undetermined in ideology. Historical ones, even Stalin or Pol Pot variants, were rather right wing. But the only principles really important for any kind of fascism are violence, anti-rationalism and amorphous ideology.

EDIT: What I mean is that fascism is that "third way", not left-wing or right-wing. And has made situational alliances with things from both. That was its main difference from old conservatives in the beginning of XX century.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Bruh do some basic research... Here's a 101:

14 characteristics of fascism

It's 100% right wing. Even so-called leftists who went fascist are no longer leftists.

[-] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 months ago

Non-leftist doesn't equal right-wing. Anarcho-capitalism is right-wing, but opposite from fascism.

Fascism requires no logical structure and no coherence in ideology. It requires the ideology to be bendable all ways each moment for each different situation. Which, well, is natural for an ideology reliant upon violence and emotion above all.

That leftists try to mix fascism and normal conservatism is a purely leftist sexual problem, that doesn't concern others until leftists pretend it's commonly accepted.

Then, of course, when most of the "revolutionary" competition is leftist, fascism becomes anti-leftist and allies right-wing forces.

But also Nazi and Soviet propaganda on the British Empire were amazingly similar in archetypes and emotion. Which would be a rare case of "fascism against right-wing forces".

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago

Anarcho-capitalism is right-wing, but opposite from fascism.

Only in terms of talking the talk. In practice, ancaps who get power quickly go full fasc.

[-] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

No it's not entirely clearly defined. But a few elements appear in all of them: Anti- communism/socialism, dictator, far-right idiologies, nationalism...

I wouldn't say any if these are desired by leftism, or rather opposites.

[-] doben@lemmy.wtf -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Oh, the historical fascisms such as under Stalin and Pol Pot, right.

it's in principle undetermined in ideology

Correct in so far, as it‘s determined by economic system. Which happens to align with left/right ideology.

But the only principles really important for any kind of fascism are violence, anti-rationalism and amorphous ideology.

You’re making shit up depending on how your tummy feels, don‘t you?

Please stop using the internet.

[-] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 2 months ago

How to detect a commie idiot without them naming themselves.

I'm actually using Eco's version, and he's notably leftist.

Please stop using the internet.

Smart thoughts were chasing you, but you were always faster.

[-] doben@lemmy.wtf 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I would have been more impressed, if you‘d actually provided argumentative content instead of personal attacks.

Not sure, what you used Umberto Eco‘s definition for, but it wasn‘t to formulate a coherent thought on the topic.

[-] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 2 months ago

Not sure, what you used Umberto Eco‘s definition for, but it wasn‘t to formulate a coherent thought on the topic.

Thank you for your opinion, but for classifying Stalin and Pol Pot as fascist, at the very least. If you have actually read that definition.

You’re making shit up depending on how your tummy feels, don‘t you?

vs

if you‘d actually provided argumentative content instead personal attacks.

and

Correct in so far, as it‘s determined by economic system. Which happens to align with left/right ideology.

, I don't even know, "idiot" doesn't seem a personal attack in such a situation. Commies are the only kind of people claiming that fascism has any economic alignments, as far as I have seen.

[-] BlueDemon@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 2 months ago

Authoritarianism applies to both sides, and the middle. Fascism is a right wing authoritarian ideology.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The Fascist ideology is an ultranationalist one which the USA is now under Trump and the rest of Europe is at risk to become one too

Most of the fascist characteristics are already there is the USA https://osbcontent.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/PC-00466.pdf

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

Bruce Springstein's protest song : Streets of Minneapolis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDaPdpwA4Iw

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

Yet another fash-enabling take from the NYTrash. Please don't post this rag of imperial disinformation.

Here's a better take: Was Alex Pretti the subject of a targeted assassination?

[-] Eeyore_Syndrome@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Reasons I installed GrapheneOS November 2024 and moved to Lemmy/Mastodon only in July 2023, intensifies.

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago

That only mitigates. There are still a number of ways to potentially track a hardened phone, and countless ways to breach proper OPSEC on social media that have nothing to do with the platform.

Don't rely entirely on system choices to keep you safe.

[-] Archer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Yep your modem baseband is 100% hackable or already backdoored

[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

your modem baseband is 100% hackable or already backdoored

I hear this mentioned a lot but how exactly is it "backdoored"?

Like... does LineageOS help? Does GrapheneOS help?

Is it like IntelME/AMD-PSP?

(Oh btw LineageOS apparantly breaks the data connection of my carrier so... 🤷‍♂️ there's that...)

[-] mesamunefire@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

One of the tools, which was built by Paragon, an Israeli technology company, lets people take control of phones or remotely hack into them to read messages or track locations. The others were built by Penlink, a Nebraska-based software company. They use social media data scraped from the web and information from data brokers to help build dossiers of anyone with a social media account.

ICE’s use of facial recognition software was documented in videos and photos from local activist groups in Minnesota this month and reviewed by The Times. Two photos captured fatigue-clad agents using cellphones to scan the faces of protesters in Minneapolis, while in one video, agents could be heard telling people that they were being recorded with facial recognition technology and that their faces would be added to a database.

[-] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago

i HaVe NoThInG tO hIdE! 🤡

[-] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Can someone explain to me why this is focused on the city of Minneapolis specifically? Why is ICE focusing specifically on that city of all of them?

[-] triptrapper@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Aside from revenge against Walz... one theory is that we're a functioning community that's ethnically diverse, relatively progressive, union strong, and very friendly to queer folks. Fox News would have you believe that any one of those features creates a godless hellscape, but we're doing pretty good. Minnesota grew a huge budget surplus under Walz, and then we invested it in schools and social programs. The Republican tradition is to destroy something (see: the federal government) and say, "See? Told you it was broken!"

[-] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago

It's a "sanctuary city".

[-] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

My guess is his personal vendetta against Walz.

[-] Soulg@ani.social 2 points 2 months ago

Racism against Somalis plus he hates Walz for running against him

[-] r0ertel@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I read an opinion piece that suggested that he is upset that Minnesota is the only blue state in a region of red. Given that Minnesota is primarily white, he felt that he could use the Somali fraud as a way to turn [white] people against the democrats using xenophobia.

Edit: I found the article.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

Personal grudge against Waltz, for running against him amongst other grudges

That's what citizens pay for now in Trump's USA. With their lives. Petty grievances of an Alzheimer patient.

[-] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago

As usual, the Trump admin is using tools that have been available to the feds for years but they use them so ineptly that it has become obvious that they exist. I guess that is better than competent administrations doing to the same thing for less trivial and obvious shit.

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