We underestimate the intelligence of most animals. So, yes.
This is just dumb. Of course cows use tools. There's a small dairy farm near where I live, that has an automatic milking station in one end of the barn. Whenever one of the cows feels like their udder is too full, they just walk into the station, and it clips onto them and starts milking.
They aren't stupid. They know what it is, and what it does...and they use it. Consciously.
That’s not the same thing lol
Why isn't it? Cow knows this thing makes them feel better so they use it, it's a tool just like the broomstick.
It’s a matter of using a literal tool with its own body. Not recognizing things 🤣
Yeah, everyone knows intelligence is measured by how good the subject is at actions requiring thumbs
You didn’t read the article. I would pump your breaks before I embarrass you lol.
I think your efforts would be better spent reading what you’re replying to so you don’t embarrass yourself further
Nope, I'm suggesting that’s what you should do lmao 🤣
Confidently wrong, that seems about right. you know this is a science sub right? If I was a mod here I would remove about half of your comments for being belligerent and argumentative. This isn't even about your opinion, you're just making this comment section hostile and unwelcome to discourse.
If you actually wanted to have a discussion it would be different.
It's legitimately depressing that this comment has this many upvotes. This is a science community and they're upvoting a scientifically incorrect statement.
Did you read the article? Cows now occupy a category of tool users that only has two other animals in it: humans and chimpanzees. The category is multipurpose tool use. In order to be placed in this group the animal needs to use one tool to perform different functions.
Walking onto an automatic milking device is an entirely different category of intelligence.
Yeah...no. This cow didn't "make" this tool. It just used a tool that was readily available. It didn't modify it in any way, in order to specifically accomplish this task.
THAT is the criteria for advanced tool use.
What this cow is doing, is extremely common in nature. It's found something in its environment that is useful. It's literally using a stick to scratch an itch. That's even less evolved than a bird building a nest, or ants digging a network of tunnels.
Thanks for confirming you didn't read the article and that your opinions on this can be safely ignored.
That's cool. One day people will have sufficient empathy for consciousness that we'll stop eating them.
There is a growing body of science that plants may have more consciousness than we originally thought (like this tool use by cows).
Assuming this becomes established fact, it would be hard to find something to eat that wasn't conscious.
Not the person you originally replied to, but eating plants directly would at least be a sort of harm reduction in that case. It takes a lot more plants to raise non-human animals than to just use plants directly. This is also a big part of why the environmental impact is so high for meat, dairy, etc.
1 kg of meat requires 2.8 kg of human-edible feed for ruminants and 3.2 for monogastrics
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211912416300013
We really have to stretch the definition of consciousness to get there.
But sure. Let's get to that point and worry about it then. Rather than wait around for more research and kill things we know are conscious.
What we know for certain is that plants don't have centralized decision making place or a nervous system. Their reactions are autonomous on the level of specific tissues.
They don't feel any pain, either. They can react to damage, but it's just a mechanical automation.
Plants are not conscious.
Gary Larson knew.
So we’re gonna stop murdering the animals by the trillions, right? Right?
This is a cow-post. It ruminates the chow from last week and two weeks ago.
IMO the important thing isn’t just the use of objects, but the planning involved. Picking up a broomstick with your mouth doesn’t feel good, so there’s no reason the cow would do it for more than a moment unless she were already thinking ahead to its possible future use.
Why do they need to be smart for us to stop slaughtering them unnecessarily and at such a disgusting scale?
Don’t get me wrong: if they’re “smarter” than we previously thought that’s great! but maybe put down the hamburgers and respect them regardless of how smart they are.
At the very least, we can start by not putting them into terrible crammed conditions and not using the most brutal slaughter practices.
Doing all that doesn't actually increase the price more than 30% - but this difference makes farmers go crazy doing all sorts of disgusting things.
Besides, a price bump could reduce the meat consumption somewhat.
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