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[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago

China, Russia, the US, fucking Israel. They all piss me off so fucking much. Can't we live in a sane world just for a single fucking day?

[-] Kkk2237pl@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago

At least China wants to make money, others not only money

[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Make money? Occupied Tibet and Sri Lanka in a debt trap would like to have a word.

[-] midas22@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 month ago
[-] Viceversa@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

The Tiananmen massacre also was a non-profit endeavour.

[-] Kkk2237pl@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

Ok, but how this compares to what Israel or Russia does?

[-] Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 month ago

Why must this he compared? The Tiananmen Square massacre was insanely inhumane. They crushed peaceful protestors on bicycles with fucking tanks. They squished the people into a pulp so they could hose them into the gutters. Israel and Russia are also evil, also on a larger scale but that doesn't absolve China from their shit.

[-] Kkk2237pl@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

Ok, It doesn’t have to be.

I see if we compare China, Russia, Usa and Israel, the China looks the most peaceful in that comparison.

[-] Scrunge@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

China has set itself a date for when they want to capture Taiwan: 2027. That's not very peaceful of them. When someone says what they're going to do, believe them. Also, Tibet occupation, Uyghur forced labor camps as well as likely mass sterilization (genocide).

[-] Kkk2237pl@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

How sri lanka is occupied?

[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Did any of you ever fucking heard of debt-trap diplomacy? I don't enjoy the idea of having to exchange one hegemony for another.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt-trap_diplomacy#Sri_Lanka

https://www.csis.org/analysis/game-loans-how-china-bought-hambantota

[-] Australis13@fedia.io 3 points 1 month ago

Oof. Kudos to Notepad++ for being up front with the details.

[-] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Yikes... i guess i am confused though. What data was being sent through this channel? What did they get from people while it happened and why did it take 2 months past them stopping it to finally make a release? I love the app, but this sounds really bad.

[-] elvith@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

From my understanding: Basically the attackers could reply to your version check request (usually done automatically) and tell N++ that there were a new version available. If you then approved the update dialogue, N++ would download and execute the binary from the update link that the server sent you. But this didn't necessarily need to be a real update, it could have been any binary since neither the answer to the update check nor the download link were verified by N++

[-] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Thats what i was thinking, but there is no mention on if this did happen and if it did what was compromised or allowed to happen.

[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 1 month ago
[-] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

Expanding on this: the exploit was against their domain name, redirecting selected update requests away from the notepad++ servers. The software itself didn't validate that the domain actually points to notepad++ servers, and the notepad++ update servers would not see any information that would tell them what was happening.

Likely they picked some specific developers with a known public IP, and only used this to inject those specific people with malware.

[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

So the solution would have been an SSL certificate check on the client side.

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 1 month ago

That's what they say they rolled out, after: "Within Notepad++ itself, WinGup (the updater) was enhanced in v8.8.9 to verify both the certificate and the signature of the downloaded installer"

[-] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

Can't tell if that would have helped

which could have allowed the malicious actors to redirect some of the traffic going to https://notepad-plus-plus.org/getDownloadUrl.php to their own servers

They could have just piped the binaries though the same server since they had this level of access. They would have had months to figure it out.

[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Oof, I thought it was just a DNS hijack. If they had access to the server, it's game over regardless.

[-] Kissaki@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's not game over regardless if the updater checks a signature of the update installer. Then it wouldn't run an installer by someone else.

[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

That's true, assuming they didn't also put their private keys on the server

[-] elvith@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago

As the hoster wrote this:

we immediately transferred all clients’ web hosting subscriptions from this server

It looks like the binaries and the update check script were put on a simple web space. If that is the correct conclusion to draw from this excerpt, then it'd be rather strange to have the keys on that server as it's very unlikely that it was used to produce any builds.

[-] cley_faye@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

The software itself, and the devs, have little to nothing to do with this besides detecting the issue. Which was not obvious, since (it seems) the attack was targeted at specific IPs/hosts/places. It likely worked transparently without alteration for most users, probably including the devs themselves.

It also would only affects updates through the built-in updater; if you disabled that, and/or installed through some package managers, you would not have been affected.

A disturbing situation indeed. I assume some update regarding having adequately digitally signed updates were done (at least, I hope… I don't really use N++ anymore). But the reality is, some central infrastructure are vulnerable to people with a lot of resources, and actually plugging those holes requires a bit of involvement from the users, depending how far one would go. Even if everything's signed, you have to either know the signatory's public key beforehand or get a certificate that you trust. And that trust is derived from an authority you trust (either automatically through common CA lists, or because you manually added it to your system). And these authorities themselves can become a weak point when a state actor butts in, meaning the only good solution is double checking those certificates with the actual source, and actually blocking everything when they change, which is somewhat tedious… and so on and so on.

Of course, some people do that; when security matters a LOT. But for most people, basic measures should be enough… usually.

[-] MolochHorridus@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

So should we at least uninstall our current Notepad++ and then download a new version? What else should we do, the post really doesn’t offer any advice.

[-] Kissaki@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes, that's the safe way. Uninstall, download current version, install. That's it.

Outside of being compromised already where you would have to notice and fix outside of notepad anyway. But that seems unlikely given the selective attack nature the hoster was able to confirm. If you'd want to cover that you would have to know and do a lot more.

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

In the old post from when the update was released a Heise article is linked, that contains indicators of compromise, and in turn links to Kevin Beaumont for the details of his analysis:

https://lemmy.zip/post/54712916
https://www.heise.de/en/news/Notepad-updater-installed-malware-11109726.html
https://doublepulsar.com/small-numbers-of-notepad-users-reporting-security-woes-371d7a3fd2d9

[-] kurmudgeon@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't think you'll need to uninstall. If I'm reading the article correctly, it looks like they plugged the hole in their update process by switching hosting providers to one that's even more hardened and secure. So requests from the updater should go to the correct place now and not the state-sponsored hacker.

Then in about a month, the next version of notepad++ that is released will also properly validate/verify any downloaded update files from the server.

You could also just disable the checks for updates from within the application too. Or better yet, use something like winget to handle the updates instead of the built-in updater.

[-] AlfredoJohn@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

The article literally states that should you download the latest version from their site directly and then use the installer to update manually. Who knows if those who were effected already could have something else compromising the update/install process. I wouldnt update from the built in updater until the new fix with certificate and signature verification is released.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago

There were a lot of typos in the linked announcement.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 month ago

If it was important and true, they would've spell-checked.

[-] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

This is why I don't update things that don't need updates. Untill I switched to Linux I had been using the same version for like a decade.

Also I'd imagine the American government is doing the exact same shit. Or rather Israel is doing it in behalf of the American government

[-] paraphrand@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

So that’s what the second plus includes….

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

So what malware got shipped?

[-] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago

If I recall correctly this is the second time this has happened to N++. Fool me once… can’t get fooled again.

[-] Dindonmasker@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago

I would like to know starting from wich version should i be concerned. I haven't updated in a while i think.

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 1 month ago

The timeline says the attack started in June of 2025 and continued through Dec 2, 2025. If you installed, updated, or silently updated during that period you may have been targeted / compromised.

[-] Snazz@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

What was the latest version before June 2025?

[-] pez@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago

Looks like 8.8.1 was May 2025 https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/v881-we-are-with-ukraine/

8.8.2 was June 2025 and has a warning to ignore "false positives" of malware in the update.... Ouch. https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/8.8.2-available-in-1-week-without-certificate/

[-] bgb_ca@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

And work bosses saw a news story on this and banned the app outright :( can anyone suggest a replacement that is not paid and has features useful for searching lots of large logs files quickly for keywords?

[-] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

He’s asking for a text editor, not to join a cult. /s

[-] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com -2 points 1 month ago

china isn't a state they're a different country and do not belong to the united mexican states.

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