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[-] Addv4@kbin.social 234 points 1 year ago

While not it's not mentioned in this article, he actually said he took mushrooms around 48 hrs before getting onto the plane, which would mean his trip was definitely over. He said he thought he was dreaming, which would probably be better attributed to the fact he hadn't slept in around 40hrs. I suspect this is a case of "the mushies did it!" being reported over questions of "how was someone in that bad of mental shape was in the cockpit of a plane? " being asked.

Wtf is wrong with society that will point to the drugs as the culprit but not the lack of sleep?

Studies have proven time and time again that prolonged lack of sleep is the most dangerous thing for a human.

[-] Addv4@kbin.social 56 points 1 year ago

My somewhat cynical view is that the airlines are trying to aim for damage control as much as possible, and are tying to throw red herirngs to divert from failings on the airlines part. In this case, shrooms. If the airlines get looked at, I suspect the whole fact that he was probably that sleep deprived and it wasn't seen as not normal could lead to actual action against airlines.

[-] BURN@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

100% this

They’re trying to shift the blame entirely to the pilot (who was primarily at fault) rather than their policies that allowed a pilot to fly on no sleep for 40 hours

[-] Addv4@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

Nah, he wasn't actually flying. He was however on route to fly, which was worrying.

[-] BURN@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Either way is a problem tbh

I think everyone is just glad he didn’t get behind the controls of a plane

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[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Crew rest is a huge deal in aviation too, something tells me rules were broken and they're trying to avoid lack of sleep coming up as a culprit.

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[-] 13esq@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Wtf is wrong with society that will point to the drugs as the culprit but not the lack of sleep?

Predetermined prejudices.

[-] Elderos@lemmings.world 40 points 1 year ago

100%. Not to mention you don't lose your mind on shrooms, and the trip is over in a few hours. Even if you were to lose contact with reality on shrooms, you wouldn't have the capability to carry out anything. This feel like a weird deflect authored by someone who knows nothing about mushrooms.

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

Exactly. If you're taking enough shrooms to "lose your mind" (aka ego death), then you're not making it off the floor of your living room, let alone getting through security, getting onto an airplane, and acting normal enough to be let into the cockpit. You're not even going to be aware that you have a body.

And if you haven't taken enough for that, then you're still never going to honestly believe you're in a dream. That's not how psychedelics work.

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[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 72 points 1 year ago

Don’t blame this on mushrooms. You get what you go in with.

[-] remer@lemmy.world 72 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And this dude hadn’t slept in 40 hours. Who the hell take mushrooms for the first time with severe sleep deprivation while in the cockpit of a commercial airliner!? This guy was unstable to begin with. Hopefully this doesn’t set back the public and regulatory perception of psilocybin and all of the therapeutic benefits it has.

[-] squiblet@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago

From what I understand he had taken the mushrooms 40 hours prior, for his first time ever, and that’s why he’s been awake all that time. However he was also enroute to pilot a flight, which probably wouldn’t have worked out.

[-] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

I call BS. Mushrooms don’t keep you up and… call me naive but… FLYING A FUCKING AIRPLANE shouldn’t come as a surprise to you. Why not take a sick day?

[-] 13esq@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

It can be tough to sleep mid-trip, but 10-12 hours or more later? You have other issues/substances if you can't sleep.

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[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

But blame the drugs! 🤗

[-] Addv4@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

Supposedly, he took the mushies around 48hrs before, so they were out of his system. So it was probably just extreme sleep deprevation. Which begs the question, it that just considered normal on airlines?

[-] remer@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

It absolutely is NOT normal. They have very strict fatigue tracking and rules. This guy shouldn’t have been anywhere near a cockpit. I’m not sure if the rules extend to non-flight crew but I’m sure the FAA will be considering that now.

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Narrator: It did.

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[-] logicbomb@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

I suspect he's blaming the mushrooms because he doesn't want to admit whatever other drugs he's been taking.

If he hadn't slept for 40 hours, it might be that he took meth.

[-] SmashingSquid@notyour.rodeo 22 points 1 year ago

I found a better article on Reuters that says he took the mushrooms about 48 hours before. Would they even still have an effect at that point? I’ve never taken shrooms.

[-] systemglitch@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

I've grown mushrooms myself and eaten a ton. He is sober within ten hours max, but in reality the high wears off in about five to six hour range and sane people only want to sleep at that point. At 24 hours you are experiencing no mushroom effects at all, let alone 40-48 hours

[-] Addv4@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nah, shrooms only last around 5-7hrs. In the worst case scenario, assume 8hrs so he was most assuredly not tripping. Probably sleep deprivation.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Not at all. It’s like max 6 hours.

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[-] DerpDerpingtonIsHere@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

I've done mushrooms countless times and mushrooms do not do this. Don't you even dare try saying it was because of mushrooms. Anyone who has actually done them before will call your bullcrap.

[-] Cinner@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sure it's possible he's making a bullshit excuse.

But dude you have no idea what was going on in his trip. He could have eaten a 5g chocolate bar and started freaking out trying to make it stop, thinking "I need to get out NOW" and being on autopilot (himself, not the plane) since he's flown so many times, turned the engines off. I'm sure the FAA audio will collaborate his freaking out.

You apparently haven't had a bad trip on a megadose. Don't go all "weed has zero bad side effects, man" about mushrooms just because you like them. This isn't a hit piece on shrooms. It's a piece against dosing before you fly a plane full of people which I'm totally good with.

[-] Serdan@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

He wasn't flying the plane.

He was off-duty and tried to open an emergency exit.

[-] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

Before that, he was in the cockpit (yes, off-duty) and lunged for the controls. The pilot had to correct it.

It's a short article, everyone should read it before commenting.

[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 15 points 1 year ago

Yeah the article either intentionally or accidently failed to mention that he took them two days prior to this incident and there's no way he could still have been under the influence as there are diminishing returns when taking mushrooms (you tyoically need to wait a few days/a week between sessions or they don't have much effect. The dude obviously snapped from staying awake for 40+ hours straight while also being distressed from the death of his friend.

I find it hard to believe he would have been able to get to the airport, get a flight, and get through airport security if he had simply been 'tripping balls' like the article implies.

[-] Montagge@kbin.social 44 points 1 year ago

Thank goodness it was drugs because now we don't have to talk about the state of healthcare in this country

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[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

I love mushrooms, and not once have I ever thought about trying to harm anyone during a trip, let alone commit mass murder.
Might as well chock this up to "Reefer Madness"

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago

Yeah this is absolute bullshit.

Let's set aside, for a moment, that this dude took the shrooms something like 48 hours prior. 100% this guy was not under the influence of psilocybin while on that plane.

But all of that aside, this just isn't how shrooms work. I know it can affect people in different ways, but I've taken heroic shroom doses before. Never, at any point, are you unaware that you're tripping, or think you're "dreaming" like this guy claimed, unless you're literally experiencing ego death. In which case, you're not even making it off the floor of your living room, let alone onto an airplane (with the company you work for), and into a cockpit.

You're not going through security, getting on a flight, acting normal enough to get into the cockpit, and then being lucid enough to make a deliberate move like he did. You're not even going to be aware that you have a fucking body.

And if you're not tripping hard enough for that, then you're not tripping hard enough to earnestly believe you're dreaming. Because that's not how psychedelics work.

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[-] Krudler@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

ITT: I do mushrooms and I don't go crazy so therefore it's impossible, and also I don't understand human psychology at all.

[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 21 points 1 year ago

ITT: people who actually have experience with psychedelics arguing against people who've only experienced psychedelics by seeing them portrayed in movies.

[-] superguy@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

I have experience selling psychedelics, and some of the stories I've heard are pretty shocking.

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[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh great way to fuck it up for everyone else.

In case anyone is unclear this is not how mushrooms work. Even on an insanely high dose you are not going to hallucinate concocted scenarios that aren't really happening. It makes colors brighter, sounds more clear, and and occasionally makes straight lines seem squiggly or faces seem pixelated. That's it.

One time I read about a case where the guy thought his neighbor's house was on fire and broke a window with a fire extinguisher. That makes more sense, maybe he saw an orange light and the mushrooms made it look like it was flickering.

[-] ShieldsUp@startrek.website 25 points 1 year ago

Sir, I have seen my entire living room melt before my eyes, and the size of objects was so distorted I thought I had shrunk below my furniture. I heard voices all night from the outside thinking someone had found me. I also wandered outside and fell in love with the grass and the midnight dew but thought I was in a different world. I've also completely lost my vision due to visions and globs/blobs of color and realized it can completely remove you from reality and provide a solid ego death. I was riding rainbows and did not recognize a single object around me.

I don't think you are giving them enough credit, although I am also skeptical depending on the dosage.

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[-] mySFWaccount@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago

Cool motive, still (attempted) murder.

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[-] jwt@programming.dev 15 points 1 year ago

*claimed he was

And I'm definitely not taking his word for it, surely blood/hair tests will tell the real story.

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[-] thefloweracidic@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I hate how idiots become the representation of what people want to control and destroy.

I can't read the article but,

Joseph Emerson, who was off-duty at the time, was restrained by Alaska Airlines cabin crew after he tried to open an emergency exit

This headline is straight up propaganda then.

The headline is propaganda but not for that reason.

Dude was in the cockpit and pulled the fuel cutoff valves for the plane. The pilot and copilot kicked him out of the cockpit and re-engaged the fuel pumps and continued flying. Dude ran up to the fight attendants and told them that they need to handcuff him. Then he tried to open the emergency exit.

It's propaganda because he said he took the mushrooms 40 hours ago they don't last that long and he was also sleep deprived and emotionally unstable due to the recent death of a friend

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[-] Tvkan@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago

This headline is straight up propaganda then.

That's called a lie, not propaganda.

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