People can dress how they like but if there are social or legal consequences for doing so, especially if the consequences are not felt evenly then you have a repressive and shitty society.
No this isn't targetting anyone, no woman anywhere I know of can dress without people trying to control her
Dress however you like.
And practice introspection to know if your decisions are truly yours and not the product of social stigmas which have taught you to hate yourself to appease the sensibilities of those who only wish to oppress you.
I think most people in the West aren’t like the bottom one, just the far right (50% of America right now). Many people take issue with the face coverings because it’s generally seen as a restriction imposed on women by men.
Depending on the state of their society, some of it is.
I think most people in the West aren’t like the bottom one, just the far right (50% of America right now).
Counterpoint: 
This runs way deeper than just the far right.
Many people take issue with the face coverings because it’s generally seen as a restriction imposed on women by men.
I think it's more that it upsets a norm : you see and identify the person you are interacting through their face.
The fun part is when it's an excuse to oppress religious minorities, and isn't just about covering the face, but any variation of the religious outfit, even when it only covers their hair.
Especially when you look at old portraits, and most of the non-noble women had their heads covered. You look at nuns, you look at the Virgin Mary, they all have their heads covered.
Religious Jews, heads covered.
When muslims do it, we have to end this horrid oppression!
I don't think you're making the point you think you're making.
Look at old photos? You mean photos from eras when patriarchal oppression was at its height? Yea, not exactly helping your position.
And just because other religions do it doesn't justify the practice. It is still a practice that is rooted in the patriarchal oppression of women. It just goes to show that religion, all of them, is an oppressive institution.
And just because other religions do it doesn’t justify the practice. It is still a practice that is rooted in the patriarchal oppression of women. It just goes to show that religion, all of them, is an oppressive institution.
As some who has lived in and is from a culture where it's optional based on how pious you are, this doesn't ring true. While some places have it as oppression, sometimes people do it because they genuinely want to be modest, or feel more religious. Some people spend most of the time without it, and use it only for religious occasions, and it's not forced.
I've visited graves with female family members who don't wear it during day to day, and they put it on when visiting the gravesite, or during prayers. No one forced them. I've had family members who didn't put it on when visiting the gravesite, and nothing happened to them, because it's not obligatory in my culture.
We've even had headscarves (not face covering) be banned for people attending university or working for the government, in the name of secularism. In other cultures related to mine,
Unfortunately for atheist edgelords , the truth is more subtle and nuanced. It's not as simple as "It's oppressive!".
There ARE people who do force it on others, and the widely accepted religious teaching is that it should NOT be that way. But extremists gonna extremist. There ARE people who enact the bans as a show of harassment towards ethnic minorities, for example, in not allowing people to participate in sports or swimming in adequate and safe aquatic apparel, in order to prevent religious people from participating in activities in the water.
Specifically headscarf bans have been enacted this way in western countries, but also in secular countries with 90+ percent muslim populations, in an attempt curb islamists from taking a foothold within the country.
It's not at all cut and dry. Have a look into countries that have heavy percentages of muslim populations and their application of secularism OUTSIDE of the MENA region, where they do take this shit too far. Places in SE and Central Asia for example. They have problems with authoritarianism, yes, but, not in terms of religious oppression.
Cool story except the history of religion is rooted in the patriarchal oppression of women (and the working class but that's tangential). Just because some women of the modern day have internalized their own oppression does not justify the origins of why the practice was first institutionalized nor negate its roots as an oppressive institution
You're right. It is nuanced. Women want to cover themselves because it makes them comfortable? Okay, cool, that's what they want and that is valid. Women doing so for "religious reasons" is literally just internalized oppression. Those religious reasons are inherently oppressive. Religion itself as a societal institution is a tool of oppression.
Sure and the history of all atheism everywhere is rooted in communism, because it was invented by Karl Marx himself when he wrote "religion is the opiate of the masses". /s
Take this as an opportunity to learn something. Goodbye.
The irony that someone who cannot recognize that religion is itself as an institution is a tool of oppression telling the other to learn something.
You're a joke.
FYI, I'm not a fan of Marx. I prefer Kropotkin.
No Gods, No Masters.
It's a lot more than just the "far right". Many who claim to be feminist/leftist/"allies" will be quick to other "others".
Third worldists WILL be the first targets of red terror for posting absolute coal 🥀
Don't let the fedditors see this call for white genocide
I do not know why people are downvoting this.
They don't like this being pointed out?
The blurred out person thats not naked takes this to unserious real fast.
Life fuck the muslim hate in the west. Just period, by itself. Its deeply tied to racism because most muslims arent western or white.
However, without that context, both the top left and bottom right (as well as bottom left) are patriarchal religions controlling the women's beliefs and we cannot truely know if any of them, sans the native person on the top right, wanted where they are from if religious people hadnt insisted it upon them.
Fuck muslim hate. But also fuck patriarchal religion that tells women their bodies are evil.
However, without that context, both the top left and bottom right (as well as bottom left) are patriarchal religions controlling the women's beliefs and we cannot truely know if any of them, sans the native person on the top right, wanted where they are from if religious people hadnt insisted it upon them.
Sure but I can say the exact same thing about, say, makeup. There's no society in the world, secular or religious, that doesn't control how its women dress, so while bottom left is more subtle it's ultimately the same dynamic.
my first instinct is because she was censored
This is basically the argument of Edward Said in ‘Orientalism’. He makes a good argument, so it is worth a read: https://www.jstor.org/stable/42981698
I don’t think he wanted to kill the West though. But maybe the idea of the West.
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