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The Cold War? Child's play compared to what lies ahead, according to U.S. historian Robert Kagan. Trump, he says, is leading the world into the most dangerous era since 1945.

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[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

The last decade has made it abundantly clear how weak America actually is.

Growing up I just assumed we would stomp this kind of shit out real fast. Instead we're bending over and letting an almost dead felon rapist pedophile fuck our country and our futures up. We're allowing a clearly treasonous party to abdicate all their responsibilities to a fat creep that falls asleep and shits his pants during official duties.

It's truly pathetic.

Don't think I'll be able to muster up much patriotism for this shithole for the remainder of my life.

[-] bunkyprewster@startrek.website 3 points 1 month ago

There is a brutal man with a gun, controlling and threatening a group of good citizens with consciences. He's going to do terrible things to them, and make them do terrible things themselves.

They have him outnumbered, but he has the gun. If they rush him, they can easily defeat him. But, the first one or two or three or four people to move forward will be shot and probably die painfully. Going first is going to cost a terrible price and you don't know for sure that anyone else will follow you, that your sacrifice will be for anything at all.

You feel a little paralyzed and at the same time ashamed you are just standing there.

What happens next?

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

What happens next?

Everyone pulls out their phones and starts scrolling for what's new and trending, several people answer their discord messages.

[-] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

This is what frustrates me most as a Canadian watching this from over the fence.

I've seen ICE videos of them killing people. There are 6 officers and 75 people with phones. ICE shoots someone and none of the 75 people do anything. They let it happen. The 75 people just stood by and watched ICE murder a citizen in broad daylight. When in reality those 75 people could have not only stopped the murder from happening, but likely killed those 6 ICE agents and prevented a future tragedy.

The fact no one wants to try and stop this is why it's still happening. America is filled with keyboard warriors and when push comes to shove, a bunch of pussies.

America is falling not just because of people not voting (Which 1/3rd of eligible voters allowed this to happen), but because of deliberate inaction as fascism takes over right in front of everyone with no resistance at all.

But maybe we'll have a protest on a Saturday afternoon. That'll show em.

[-] hector@lemmy.today 0 points 1 month ago

One man can't keep a hundred of his peers in subjugation, but a million can keep 400 million so. It's about organization and leadership. The analogy you give doesn't really fit, and neither do my statistics as they've far more than a million at their disposal. Half the country still supports them to boot and they've millions under arms, following orders and we have, the democrats organizing what passes for resistance.

[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

There were about 1 million jews that died in Auschwitz, where they had about 10,000 guards. Quite literally a ratio of 100 people being subjugated by 1 person.

[-] hector@lemmy.today 0 points 1 month ago

It's a point made in decline and fall of the roman empire, that an organized group can hold a large population down even as in a smaller group that ratio could not.

Looking at concentration camps is different, those people were already captured, you would want to look at the size of the police, and SS, and SA, and the like.

Also there were a lot more victims of nazis than just 'the jews." They killed unionists, socialists, communists, gypsies/roma, the mentally ill, homosexuals, leftists, political opponents, and so forth.

They matter as well, we repeat casualty figures of the nazis like jews were the only victims, and it's not true, and gives people a false impression that if they aren't a member of the out group they will be fine.

[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I wasn't trying to say jews were the only victims, just trying to show a real-world example of how it took about 1 person per 100 to subjugate a group of people. Yes the concentration camps were different but I would still say those people were subjugated.

[-] hector@lemmy.today 1 points 1 month ago

I just made the point because the media does that all the time they never mention other victims, and it's left the population with a very inaccurate view of the nazis, their victims, and whom their victims would be if they got in power.

Not all immigrants it's an ever expanding list, especially when they will need a lot of scapegoats to cover for their stealing and corruption. People won't risk their neck if their neck isn't on the chopping block and all, I think it's a on purpose of them.

It also feeds into the victim mentality that is used by some groups to commit their own abuses and force their own others into ghettos they control, about 6 million of them in fact, coincidentally.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There is a combination of factors that is turning America, a country founded on evicting a King from our government, into a country with a de-facto one.

First, one of the foundational principles of the country was the separation of powers. Specific powers were given to specific branches of government. The founders anticipated that ambitious people would fill those branches, and they would not give up that power so easily. They did not anticipate a Congress that would abdicate it's power over directing the Executive branch when their guy is there. And a Supreme Court picked expressly to choose sides.

Second, the founders realized that there needed to be someone in charge of the Federal executive that had some real power. Recall that we had already formed one government , under the "Articles of Confederation", with a weak central government that was not working. But, they did not trust the general electorate to pick it. That is the original purpose of the Electoral College: State Legislatures would name delegates, and those delegates would pick the President. We retain the Electoral College not because it still works in the modern era, but because it is too hard to change. (The fact that Congress hasn't changed in size for 100 years also contributes to the inequity of the Electoral College, since each state's votes are tied to their representation. In fact, I think the EC might still be workable if each district were smaller....).

Third, we had built up a strong tradition of non-partianship in the executive branch, with career civil servants doing their jobs across administrations, providing continuity. We even thought that protection was entrenched in law. But then this guy comes along, and decides that none of those laws matter. Once that merit-based expertise leaves, it is very hard to get back. And he can violate laws with impunity because of Point #1.

So, while we don't call Trump a King officially, his office is being turned into a monarchy, where his opinion rules all and the rule of law is subject to it.

[-] ClownStatue@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago

There are a couple of factors that play into the "lack of resistance."

  • Healthcare and employment are intertwined in the US. Also, healthcare is more expensive in the US than just about anywhere else in the world.
  • Employment in most states is "at will," meaning employees can be fired without cause. For most employees, there is also no employment contract. Unions in the US are very weak for the most part.
  • Most people in the US live paycheck to paycheck, and don't own their primary residence.

These are the ingredients of a captive population. They can hate something all they want, but objecting to it is a risk of losing everything they have. And that's not hyperbole. There have already been reports of people being fired for social media posts, and ICE collecting info on "anti-ICE" social media content. Unfortunately, this is going to have to get to a point where enough people are willing to die to oppose this. When the economy starts hurting the upper-middle class, things might change, but I don't know.

There is and has been resistance, and it's resulted in American deaths. There just hasn't been the craziness of, e.g., Jan 6 (irony intended)!

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

It is without resistance. The citizens offer protest while the Democratic Party looks out for their retirement checks. The protest has been ineffective other than getting press and bringing out trump’s goon squad.

[-] Asafum@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Tyrants always have the advantage in a "civil society"...

(Almost) Everything he does is legal so people treat it as fair game even if we don't like it, and aside from ICE murdering people, there isn't any direct violence to fight against so the "civil society" has to wait until it's wayyyyyyyy too late, to the point that we're all being sent to the gas chambers, until it decides it's morally correct to use violence.

Until that point we're left hoping our "representatives" will "fight" for us (hahahahahahahahahahahahaha...... Ughh....)

:(

[-] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago

People forget that morality, legality, and constitutionality are all different. Andrew Jackson ignored court orders regarding treaties with the Cherokee, nothing bad happened, because the people supported him. Lincoln blockaded the South without congressional approval, that was a good thing, also unconstitutional. He suspended habeas corpus, which was also unconstitutional. ICE is likely not breaking the constitution in many instances. However, that doesn't make their actions the slightest bit less abjorrent and evil. The constitution is a centuries old piece of paper. If anything, the Bill of Rights and some ot the other amendments (namely the 14th) are significantly more valuable.

[-] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Ice is detaining people without cause or warrants, it’s most definitely breaking the constitution.

[-] Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk 1 points 1 month ago

The American constitution means there was a way of stopping America from becoming a tyrannical fascist state.

Turns out it is just for show.

[-] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

The Weimar Republic also fell to the Nazis with almost no resistance.

[-] hector@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago

They were concerned with stopping socialists and communists, not putting an all powerful fascist in charge. Which is a recurring theme in history, afraid of reform they get a dictator worse than reform.

They thought big business could stop hitler if he got out of control, arrogantly thinking they could control the political monster they supported, just as now.

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

There was plenty of violence in Germany leading up to the Jan 1931.

[-] Smaile@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

they didn't have high spread internet back then to show they're crimes of to the wider public, given that there losing seats in deep red states tells me the majority does not support these people and they're not getting a lot of back up if things get ugly for them.

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

One reason is that the US is just too big and too different to fight back effectively.

I think the most practical resistance is the west coast trying to split off.

It’s a lot easier to rally an entire state than an entire country.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

Especially if it's an economic powerhouse that's drained to subsidize red states who voted for this.

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

The 2001 Patriot Act is the cornerstone and the MAGA fucknuts pushed ahead with their insane Project 2025 BS!

[-] TheHighRoad@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

We have been sufficiently divided to prevent collective action until it is too late. Those who should be allied with us are too distracted by gender arguments and religious propaganda to notice the boot coming down for us all.

[-] 1984@lemmy.today 1 points 1 month ago

Just reading his Wikipedia page is scary as hell for an American president. Unreal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_presidency_of_Donald_Trump

[-] 5wim@infosec.pub 1 points 1 month ago

But also, fuck neocon Robert Kagan

[-] Nebraska_Huskers@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I don't want to sound like a Bible beater because religion is very much not a part of my life. But I know the Bible. If the warnings in Daniel, Theologians, revelation about an antichrist is true, everything that describes an antichrist, Trump fits to a a T, and this board of peace. I dunno it's starting to be more than a coincidence to me.

[-] etherphon@piefed.world 1 points 1 month ago

I suspect most people feel that if things get too bad (too late) things will be taken care of for them, someone else will do it, etc. Despite all the rhetoric there is still a lot of faith in the system, at least from the older folks. I have to say it is quite eerie and weird though and not in a good way.

[-] Jhuskindle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

It is hilarious to me and also annoying that they say there is no resistance. Millions are flooding the streets. Record protests. Hundreds of thousands have made networks of information systems. But yeah sure no resistance. A toy company took the administration to Supreme Court and won but okay yeah no resistance . Women gassed and burned ice warehouses but okkkkk no resistance. Kids punching nazis. No resistance. Ridiculous.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

they say there is no resistance

There's street resistance, but virtually no political opposition. At every level of government, Democrats are falling over to comply, even as their constituents scream in protest.

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[-] Batmorous@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

KEEP GOING EVERYONE!!!! Locally up to internationally we the people have the power to get things done together!! Get more people active from anybody that isn't yet!!

Also if you notice anybody going through tons of stress comfort them for a bit, laugh, have fun, and bring up their hope. Get them connected with others in person and online. All of us together are capable of anything

These countries a lot done from people working together: Syria, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Madagascar

Others that already were: Japan, South Korea, Norway, Denmark.

Currently all the People and especially people from these countries need all the assistance they can get: Ukraine, Myanmar, USA, Iran, Nigeria, India (Yes every country just these will have huge impact on everything else)

P.S. Networks of Information systems? I wanna help out for that what do you recommend I do? Been thinking setting up Matrix and Fluxer communities to help out with getting people mobilizing, collaborating, and doing in-person and online. Online communities focused on getting things done

[-] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Americans are too obsessed with themselves to give a shit. And when ICE starts busting the heads of white people, they'll happily report their neighbors and coworkers for disloyalty.

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