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“Telegram is not a private messenger. There’s nothing private about it. It’s the opposite. It’s a cloud messenger where every message you’ve ever sent or received is in plain text in a database that Telegram the organization controls and has access to it”

“It’s like a Russian oligarch starting an unencrypted version of WhatsApp, a pixel for pixel clone of WhatsApp. That should be kind of a difficult brand to operate. Somehow, they’ve done a really amazing job of convincing the whole world that this is an encrypted messaging app and that the founder is some kind of Russian dissident, even though he goes there once a month, the whole team lives in Russia, and their families are there.”

" What happened in France is they just chose not to respond to the subpoena. So that’s in violation of the law. And, he gets arrested in France, right? And everyone’s like, oh, France. But I think the key point is they have the data, like they can respond to the subpoenas where as Signal, for instance, doesn’t have access to the data and couldn’t respond to that same request.  To me it’s very obvious that Russia would’ve had a much less polite version of that conversation with Pavel Durov and the telegram team before this moment"

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[-] elbiter@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

All these apps owned by corporations are just black boxes where you send information and nobody knows for certain what they do with it.

Best case, they parse it, cross it with other data and make it profitable (for them, not for you).

Worst case... Who knows...

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago
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[-] sleepy@lazysoci.al 14 points 1 month ago

SimpleX is the most private of the big three. No phone number or account needed. Able to self host.

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[-] Templa@beehaw.org 13 points 1 month ago

I stopped using Telegram as soon as I learned their chats aren't E2E encrypted unless you create a secret chat. Their advertising is so misleading. Even WhatsApp is more private than Telegram.

[-] Krunchiebro@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Why don't we all just truly go FOSS and use matrix?

[-] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 month ago

Matrix results in way more meta data and through federation those meta data could be stored jn way more places.

Besides their main developer (element messenger) are cop / military boot lickers.

Those are some examples for why you might not use it, but depending on you use case you might still prefer it over signal.

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[-] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

Unlike Signal, Telegram is successful in getting people to move away from Meta's Whatsapp.

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[-] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

I don't think, at this point, people who use Telegram do it for their privacy. I still use it, but I don't trust it one bit more than I trust WhatsApp.

[-] Thordros@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

fedposting "Don't use those other chat apps, where the barbarous Russians or sneaky Arabs could compel your data. Use my app instead: FedChat: Built For Feds, By Feds" - Feddy McFedderson, founder of Signal

[-] quantumcrop@lemmy.today 8 points 1 month ago

I mean I'm not a huge Signal fan but I certainly trust them far more than either telegram or whatsapp. I would at least be ok installing telegram if I had to; if someone told me I needed to download a meta product to save my own life I'd tell them I'm ready to die.

[-] brownsugga@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

His NAME is MARLINSPIKE?? Like the ancestral home of Captain Haddock from Tintin?! We really are living in a simulation

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