One would think in a community that says no ML they would just ban on sight
the frog is boiling
I think part of this is the losing of hope within the left in systems that aren't more forceful like ML, due to the failures of the progressive capitalist/socdem/demsocs in going against fascist and imperialist policy. Also because literally Cuba good (hot take!!!), as much as any other examples of ML end up in corrupt leaders and violence (Laos being anti-LGBT at least, and don't get me started on how China isn't even really ML anymore but rather a capitalist fascist country in the skin of a socialist country).
"To avoid infighting, we've decided to collaborate with the Nazis" – leftist edition
The wildest thing is that db0 often argues with Tankies about unity as they repeatedly tell him that they'll kill anarchists if given the chance.
Yet for whatever reason, the few anarchists left on dbzer0 and db0 himself insist on aligning with them. https://hexbear.net/post/7507322/6879735
Literally reads like:
"In every case in history, authoritarian communists have purged the anarchists after the success of the revolution. So you should accept our blanket leadership because otherwise we will be forced to purge you after the success of the revolution. And even if you do submit to us, you will be forever at our mercy because if we ever deem you as a threat then we will eliminate you."
Authoritarians in every form just can't seem to see through their own narcissism...
And yet dbzer0 insists on federating and unifying with tankies. Oblivious.
I gave db0 just a smidge of evidence that tankies are coordinating a takeover of Dbzer0, including dbzer0 admins aiding the takeover. Naturally, this is Db0's reply
He's kinda given up, sad. He'd rather own the libs than admit he's being treated like every single anarchist in history. Bizarre how they keep falling for betrayal. Perhaps this time the Authoritarians won't eat me! Literal insanity.
I find their obsession with the term "libs" fascinating.
It has a very different meaning outside of the US. Which goes to show that their whole "but my global south!!" is fake and performative.
It's the outside-the-US meaning that anarchists would typically use, and the US-centric definition is effectively a subset of the general definition when viewed from a leftist perspective, as they're both capitalist with minimal regulation, just in the US it's got the added connotations of being less homophobic and racist etc. then the centre of the Overton window, whereas classic liberalism isn't incompatible with racism and homophobia etc..
Anytime I see anyone use the word "lib" or "liberal" used the way these people do, I can't help but think of Alex Jones. Not really the guy you want your behavior to remind people of, I think.
The fact that he uses the term "turbolibs" proves he is already infected with tankie brainrot.
"I don't care if tankies call us libs, as long as they don't call me a turbolib! Those damn turbolibs want us to ban tankies, can't give them what they want!"
Literally "one of the good ones" mentality, just move the overton window a little bit to the other side of yourself. I'm sure the face-eating leopards will accept you as one of their own...
we're not going to ban tankies on sight
But the start of the blurb on leftymemes says
An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of “ML” (read: Dengist) influence.
... ???
Who are "turbolibs" and why are they trying to keep them happy? ???
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Bizarre how they keep falling for betrayal.
Yeah. Mind-blowing.
He’d rather own the libs than admit he’s being treated like every single anarchist in history.
Nah, with terminally online cosplayers, the result is almost always "Mask off, actually was aligned with tankies all along" rather than "Principled opposition getting betrayed after alliance of convenience". That's more of a real-world anarchist pitfall.
Tankies give them asspats and don't demand anything of them, while evil liberals and demsocs actually demand some small baseline of action. If one's interest in anarchism is more the sense of community than ideology, they pitch towards tankies hard. The reverse is rarer, despite tankies also being largely of the same mentality, because anarchism is less inherently tribalistic than ML insanity about orthodoxy and revisionism, making it less appealing to a tribalist mindset already immersed in such concepts.
On the other hand, I've known a number of tankies through the years who pitched hard-right once they found community with online right-wingers.
On the other hand, I've known a number of tankies through the years who pitched hard-right once they found community with online right-wingers.
That doesn't surprise me at all. Authoritarian-minded narcissists don't care about ideological consistency, ethical reasoning, or contextual realism. They just care about the authoritarian grift that feeds their insatiable egos.
They call the "horseshoe politics" argument "both-sides-ism" when it's actually the opposite. "Both sides are bad" is an attempt to equate left-wing with right-wing politics to justify doomerism, complacency, and cynical accelerationism while claiming some sort of moral exceptionism (my ends justify my means because both sides are bad).
"Horseshoe politics" on the other hand calls out ideological and methodological extremism on both sides. Its main claim is that authoritarianism is bad, regardless of which side of the political spectrum it falls on.
It also comes as no surprise that these same types of "leftists" never call out trump, maga, and the actual fascists. No, they focus all their ire on corporate dems (who are deserving of critique within their own contexts, of course, but not to the exclusion of far-right conservatism), calling them "liberal fascists," whatever the fuck that is, and watering down the term "fascist" so that we all sound like loonies whenever we call out actual fascism (such as maga/trumpism).
Yeah, I had to block so many 'anarchist' meme communities that were nothing but hating dems
For real; I posted a picture (not even a meme but a screenshot of a post I thought made a good point) in an ongoing thread regarding certain viabilities of anarchism and was the only one who got my comment deleted with just a line about bringing up strawmen and fallacies, apparently (it was more in depth with particular examples, compared to the other comments, so maybe it struck a nerve). Not even the tankie comms have deleted my comments over just simply countering me or just down voting.
Felt more like trying to maintain a social club, than anything.
they also are infiltrating the more"neutral" political memes sub too, i noticed it has very tankie postings. after thier tankie instances have mostly been blocked by most fed users, i assume they arnt getting much engagement.
Afterthought [from both our experience] : maybe they're just prejudiced and ableist against autistics.
:3
... and/or our blunt honesty, and our critiques of systems and logic.
They were ableist towards you as well?
Not to the point of post/reply removal nor banning, yet. But I get that vibe. At least enough to offer the plausibility. As may fit your example experience.
I got the funniest responses to this comment. It was so bad that by the time I tried to respond, the mods had deleted them all already lmao
"Oh, this is calamity! Calamity! Oh no, he's on the floor!"
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