22

I find it alarming that to "protect" women, men have to be surveilled secretly in all public places. This is way beyond dystopian.

AI and remote security personnel get to decide if someone is "a predator" and take 'em down preemptively if they look suspicious.

What could possibly go wrong?

top 28 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] paultimate14@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

This article is using every trick in the dystopian playbook to try to emotionally appeal to people. Protecting women, especially the young girls!

"I think we have to develop solutions that put the responsibility back into other places like public authorities, owners of spaces, police forces," she says.

But she still comes out and says what she really wants: more power vested into private, wealthy owners of spaces, to the state, and to the police.

Surely nothing can go wrong. Surely this is about equality for everyone and it definitely won't disproportionately impact men of color. Surely this won't run afoul of any tricky edge cases like trans people. Surely this won't be used to deliscriminate against the poors while still allowing anyone in an expensive suit to do whatever the fuck they want.

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago

If unusual behaviours are detected, for example a large group of people moves suddenly or in an unexpected way, security teams on the ground are alerted and can check if there is a problem.

Yes this will definitely be used only for its intended purpose

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

The idea is, on that deserted railway platform, the lasers would spot the unnecessarily close choice of seat, registering it as unusual and a potential threat. Security teams would then be alerted and could either direct CCTV for a closer look or send staff in person if needed.

Me when I get arrested for sitting down in public. This is definitely not going to drive young men towards figures like andrew tate

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Do you remember the social media panic over 'man spreading' or whatever? This whole thesis that men sit with their legs spread in public spaces to specifically deny women a place to sit?

It was so wild. And everyone ate it up. And if you pointed out how many women dump their bags on seats and take up 2-3 extra seats... you were a misogynist attacking hard working women who were just trying to bring their shopping home.

It can't just be that people who take up extra space are the jerks.

[-] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The UK is a dystopian shithole. They took 1984 and used it as an instruction manual.

[-] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

This is global. My town is installing Flock cameras to "stop dangerous speeding and red-light running". Never mind that it also is networked with every single other camera, reads license plates, and use AI to track people everywhere they go. There's no danger, though. That's just coincidence...

[-] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

When talking about surveilling society at large, as this person is suggesting, it's important to remember that there is no such thing as surveilling a subset of the population.

Everyone who crosses the boundaries of surveillance, without exception, gets surveilled.

When you point a camera at a crowd, it does not selectively exclude everyone but your chosen subject: a camera photographs all. People and systems behind the camera then manipulate and match that data to suit their objectives, and that's where it becomes completely unaccountable, because the data has already been collected on all.

Today, supposedly, it's dastardly men, the suggestion being that all others will be excluded and thus this extended surveillance of all public spaces must be benign for everyone who is not a dastardly man. But in other places and times, it was runaway slaves, or homosexuals. Recently it has been women seeking abortions and trans people and immigrants. Tomorrow it will be those guilty of wrongthink.

And all are surveilled, because everyone is surveilled.

This surveillance WILL be used to the maximum of its capability, and very quickly, regardless of whatever guidelines or original purpose or its stated goals are said to be in the beginning.

These are nothing but lines in the sand that will be washed away almost immediately, because there's just no way to exclude specific groups from widespread surveillance, and our collective governments are far too corrupt and unstable and greedy for power to ever cut off their own access to it.

[-] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Exactly. This is a privacy issue, not a "men's" issue, otherwise I'd have found a "manosphere" forum for it (don't know if one actually exists on Lemmy). As you say, this is equivalent to "we must protect the children" as motivation for pretty much everything that takes away liberty, except it's the women who are the "children" in this version. It's just a means to getting the controls in place so it can be used freely to everybody's detriment.

[-] Canconda@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

CCTV operator here. One thing people misunderstand is that cameras don't tell a story, they corroborate a narrative. In other words the footage is often open to multiple interpretations, not just one side of the story. (We've seen this play out with the recent ICE shootings)

One big difference between CCTV and these "smart lasers" is that CCTV is retroactive; Meanwhile this system appears to aim to prevent crimes. Anyone who has seen the movie Minority Report, knows where I'm going with this.

"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer." - William Blackstone ~1760

Basically this system, if not transparent, could easily be used to falsely accuse and oppress people. Not just men either. I'm sure Jim Crow would have installed lasers on the water fountains if they had them.

[-] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

Surely a society that has shown little care for women's safety would never pretend to care about women's safety to justify pushing their surveillance state forward.

[-] horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago

We’re Training Students To Write Worse To Prove They’re Not Robots, And It’s Pushing Them To Use More AI

If students have to use AI in order to make it look like they're not using AI — what on earth will a system like this do to people? Quite how it will be able to read the intent of people's actions without throwing up a huge number of false-positives is something that I don't understand.

And quite what workers are supposed to do when they receive an 'alert' of this nature, I'm not sure. Go up to the individual and tell them that their behaviour has been flagged as suspicious? Way to make me feel more anxious in public.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago

We're talking the same AI systems that protect children from lethal bags of chips, and the same kind of premise that lead to vulnerable women getting their info stolen?

[-] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Wow, the Baltimore one I didn't know about and that's also beyond dystopian. Jeez, the response by authorities being "sorry, but it did the right thing, move along" reminds me of the movie "Brazil". If you read the article, you already know that yes, it's like that one, but in England, and every public place. Worse though, because it's judgment of where you stand, sit, walk or cast your eyes in relation to any woman in the area.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

What the fuck‽

Edit: this was meant as a firm and horrified disagreement as a feminist, not as actual confusion or surprise. The UK has been finding whatever justification they can pull out of their ass to increase surveillance and control

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

key premise of identify politics is that you are guilty of the sins of the group you belong to.

in this case, if you are a man, you are guilty of the crime of potentially raping women.

You are going to see al to more of this kind of crap, from 'progressive' people in the next decade.

[-] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago

There is absolutely no clarity on how this laser based system monitors people on the ground. Is it like a radar? How does the system determine from a laser that the target is a woman, man or non binary?

More needs to be done to protect women but mass surveillance with iffy claims about privacy ain't the way

[-] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Almost all assaults are done by people the victim knows, in private. This does nothing to prevent that.

[-] vane@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

A man arrives and sits right beside her, making her feel uncomfortable and unsafe.

It's time to patent public bench with gender taser.

[-] steeznson@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Why not sell it as a big laser quest game? #YesAllMen /jk

Women are slightly more than half the population (51%?) and experience the most harrassment. I think something needs to be done but maybe not a dystopian measure. How about a shared register of dangerous men made by competent devs (not outsourced) that don't leave the s3 bucket open to the intetnet unencrypted? Or - given that the police are useless - make the process of getting a restraining order more straight forward, require less evidence.

[-] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Oh, you mean like the Spill the Tea app? That would never be used to infringe on privacy or destroy reputations of innocent people, right? Right?

I'm not going to go further and turn this into a discussion for a different forum, except to suggest a search on harassment and gender. Regardless of gender issues this and similar "protective" activities only serve to enhance control over populations.

[-] QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

We'll do anything but force men to take accountability for their actions and to change our culture.

[-] arin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

You're missing the point, it's mass population control. Over here in maga states we have women fearing period tracking apps coz abortion. Even Facebook will sell info on women to data buyers to track them.

[-] QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Ah, of course, that's the fascist strategy these days.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

You can’t force anyone to take accountability for their actions. Either they voluntarily take accountability for their actions, or you police their actions.

[-] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 1 month ago

But the system she is developing does not use cameras and, instead, monitors crowds as anonymous dots on a map. Only when it spots a potential issue are CCTV cameras directed on the individuals, or security personnel sent to the scene.

"Our aim there is to respect public privacy - so really understand that people don't want to be continually monitored when there's no need to be - but also make spaces safe," she says. The process has undergone simulated trials and will soon move to tests in real-life scenarios.

Either none of the commenters read the article or they're all the type confused by women choosing the bear.

Nothing but fragile male egos on display.

Collecting data to allocate limited resources and you're all acting like it's a personal attack on your manhood with some are as an reason to lean in on their toxic masculinity.

[-] Bazell@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago
[-] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 month ago

And people like you and the other men in this thread are why women won't support anarchy.

[-] Bazell@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

LOL. What are your problems?

this post was submitted on 09 Mar 2026
22 points (92.3% liked)

Privacy

9626 readers
17 users here now

A community for Lemmy users interested in privacy

Rules:

  1. Be civil
  2. No spam posting
  3. Keep posts on-topic
  4. No trolling

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS