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Migration minister Mike Tapp failed a UK citizenship test question before insisting he is a "proud Brit." Speaking at a parliamentary committee on settlement, citizenship, and integration on Tuesday, 10 March, the Labour MP for Dover and Deal admitted he did not know the height of the London Eye - one of the questions in the official UK citizenship test. "I am confident that I would be able to pass the test, I'm a proud Brit," he added, but promised to "take a keen interest" in knowing the answer "when it comes up again" in the same meeting next year. Chair of the committee, Lord Don Foster, said he will "follow up" on Mr Tapp's word.

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[-] elbucho@lemmy.world 107 points 2 days ago

Well that's a stupid fucking question for a citizenship test.

[-] Zombie@feddit.uk 59 points 2 days ago

I think that's what they're trying to highlight by asking him it

[-] GameOverFlow@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 days ago

They don't want new citizens. 

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 79 points 2 days ago

Oh yeah the only qualification for being a Britt is memorizing arbitrary information. That makes sense.

[-] Red5@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 days ago

Can confirm: I am British and know more than my fair share of trivia

[-] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 44 points 2 days ago

My friend was revising for his UK citizenship test back in 2012. I had a couple of goes on a mock test and I failed it both times. The questions were absurd and I'd bet most people wouldn't know about and were of no relevance to British culture.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 2 days ago

Oh I know they're all about who won what battle in 1791. I had one question that asked when Scotland and England became one nation, I mean I know roughly when it was (I know which century it occurred in) but I couldn't give you the exact date.

[-] FishFace@piefed.social 12 points 2 days ago

I'd rank that information as more significant trivia than the height of the fucking London Eye.

It was 1707 wasn't it?

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 2 days ago

It's just that I don't think that knowing a bunch of historical facts that most people never retain, if they're taught them at all, is really what's necessary for someone to integrate into British culture.

Think of any nation and you can immediately name national traits, Peru has a very different cultural backdrop than Germany for example. Knowledge of that is what the citizenship test should be checking for. Not whether or not I can remember a bunch of dates from the attached guide otherwise it's much more about sending the accompanying book as it is about actually helping people integrate

[-] FishFace@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah. I kind of get it though, and some historical facts do have a material impact on your understanding of that cultural backdrop, while also being much easier to test for. (And I think it is reasonable to have some kind of check on integration, even if imperfect, for naturalisation)

In this example, if you know that the Acts of Union were 1542 for Wales, 1707 (huzzah) for Scotland and 1800 for Ireland, that tells you something about the relative strengths of the bonds between the different countries in the union. It gives you historical context for why Scottish Independence is a stronger movement than Welsh Independence, and helps you navigate interactions with people from the different countries.

So a test that asks questions of that character can be objective, concise, and still encourages prospective citizens to learn things which are useful from the point of view of integration. In these topics people often bring up queuing culture (but I've never invited someone to go in front of me at a checkout that I remember), tea culture (but loads of people don't drink tea, disagree on milk/tea order, etc), sports (I don't follow any) that all have significant problems.

[-] ambitiousslab@feddit.uk 37 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

My partner, dad's partner, and so many colleagues at my job, wasted so many weeks cramming for this stupid, irrelevant test. If you add up all the people who have to take this, how many person hours have we wasted as a society, all to be forgotten anyway, because it's useless information.

We really need to get rid of this test, or at a minimum strip it down and make it about how to vote and access public services. But even then, if someone wants to learn that, they will of their own accord and in their own time anyway.

[-] LordDaveTheKind@piefed.social 20 points 2 days ago

I've passed the test in 2021. To be fair, there are some interesting and relevant topics, such as anything concerning the government structure: elections, judiciary system, Parliament, ... Other questions such as the number of volunteers in the National Trust or the London Eye height are completely pointless.

[-] Simon_M@feddit.uk 4 points 2 days ago

Migration Minister, sounds like he works for the RSPB. Call a spade a spade, Immigration Minister?

[-] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago

"What's the height of the London eye" is a citizenship question on the level of "what have I got in my pocket"

[-] kip@piefed.zip 15 points 2 days ago

Is this thing on?

- Mike Tapp

[-] tetris11@feddit.uk 11 points 2 days ago
[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago

I've spent a total of two weeks in the UK (not counting layovers) and I got 88%

I don't say this to brag, just to illustrate that the test MIGHT not be quite fit for purpose 😄

I'm still going to have to take over your citizenship, though, them's the rules 🤷🏻

[-] tetris11@feddit.uk 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'll handover my citizenship if you can pass British Isles test:

  1. Brown condiment that goes on toast
  2. Popular Irish Beverage
  3. Welsh actor that lives in the US
  4. Scottish comedian with thoughts about the Queen's Vagina
  5. Ambiguously Gay Duo
  6. Mixes well with milk but only in the UK
[-] klu9@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

spoiler

  1. HP Sauce (Marmite is a brown condiment that goes in the bin . Why, yes, Marmite is a bit "Marmite".)
  2. Vodka & Red Bull. At least that was what was being served at every house party last time I was in Dublin.
  3. Catherine Zeta-Jones
  4. His Majesty the Francis of Boyle
  5. Thems two wor were on Byker Grove, like, mahn
  6. Chocolate Hobnobs
[-] tetris11@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

You have been promoted to Lord Executor

[-] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago

Brit here:

spoiler

  1. Marmite
  2. Guinness
  3. Michael Sheen? First Welsh actor that comes to mind. I think Christian Bale was born in Wales but considers himself to be English.
  4. Frankie Boyle if I remember correctly
  5. Ant and Dec? I think they're both married to women, I don't know
  6. Tea
[-] tetris11@feddit.uk 3 points 2 days ago
[-] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 3 points 1 day ago

Nice, my sense of Britishness remains intact

[-] daychilde@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

spoiler

  1. Marmite!
  2. This has to be Guiness
  3. I had to look Rhys up but I don't know his work. I went with Michael Sheen, who I do adore. Dang it.
  4. This has to be Frankie Boyle.
  5. …Michael Sheen and David Tennant? Please be what you were going for, I'm straight, but I love those two together!
  6. Tea! .... Ribena? (I know it's not Ribena). I think Nestle makes a banana powder for milk? We have chocolate and strawberry in the US

I probably failed. :( but it was fun. I'm a huge panelshow fan, so anything I got might be blamed on that :)

Forgive me if my reply is annoying, as a USian, I like hanging out in spaces like this, but I try to be respectful. But I had to reply to this one :)

[-] tetris11@feddit.uk 3 points 2 days ago

4 / 6, get off the island(s) or I'll sick her on you!

[-] daychilde@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I AIN'T AFRAID OF NO GHOST!

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)
  1. Marmite
  2. Guinness or whisky
  3. Matthew Rhys?
  4. Frankie Boyle, probably
  5. Ant and Dec? 🤷🏻
  6. Gin? 😛 Because people like milk in their tea elsewhere too
[-] tetris11@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago

5 / 6, you live but barely

[-] jdr@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

I got 100% and I don't even live there

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 6 points 2 days ago

Why do you know the height of the London Eye. Are you a Russian agent?

[-] jdr@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

It's about eye-level.

Anyway the test is multiple choice, so maybe if you know it's about 100m that's good enough?

The test is ridiculous, it asked a load of history that I wouldn't expect normal people to know, Brits or otherwise.

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 5 points 2 days ago

A true Brit would estimate the height in double decker buses, of course. They missed a trick there.

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 9 points 2 days ago

I failed four. Doubt even people living Northern ireland know how many members their parliament has.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 2 days ago

Most of the time it's zero.

[-] blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Here's one that helps people revise, lets see how we do

https://lifeintheuktestweb.co.uk/british-citizenship-test-practice-questions-12/

I got 71% and I'm nativo

[-] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 19 points 2 days ago

20/24 (83%), native Briton.

Some of those questions are stupid though, on terms of day to day knowledge on Britain.

If it was actually going to be useful, it would include things about:

  • Letting someone go in front of you in the shop queue if they've only got a few things and you've got a basket full.
  • Which football teams are "scum" according to supporters of other football teams
  • Which one of PJ & Duncan is PJ and which one is Duncan? (Also known as Ant and Dec)
  • How to apologise for things, even even they're not your fault
  • Why Piers Morgan is a twat
  • What things you can have a "cheeky" one of i.e. pints, Greggses, sausage rolls, Nandoses, and girls (if you're MP Lembit Opik).
[-] blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago

How long do you wait before beeping the horn if you're behind a car at the traffic lights and they turn green is another potential one

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago

If it's a mini you might as well be ready to lean on the horn as soon as the other direction turns amber. They never seem to be paying attention

[-] GiveOver@feddit.uk 5 points 2 days ago

I beeped a guy when on holiday in USA once, after a truck didn't set off for a few seconds. The guy stuck a middle finger out of his window and floored it with a great wheel spin.

Not sure if I broke the rule by beeping too early, or the American rule is that you always flip off the guy behind you.

[-] blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

You did the New York Second

[-] GiveOver@feddit.uk 4 points 2 days ago

I'm English It was like 3 seconds!

[-] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago

I'm British born and bred and I got 88%. Some of those questions are interesting and definitely better questions than asking the height of the London Eye.

Maybe the UK citizenship test should try to select people who support important British principles (rule of law, democracy, religious freedom, legal equality of men and women, etc). But I suppose somebody could pretend to support those things for the purposes of passing a test, and after the test they might decide they don't believe in democracy after all. Also I'm sure there are born and bred Brits who don't believe in democracy.

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[-] Thordros@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

83%. I've never set foot in the country in my life.

Also, the height of the that wheel is irrelevant, since it hasn't been the tallest in the world in decades! point-and-laugh-1point-and-laugh-2

[-] TIN@feddit.uk 6 points 2 days ago

23 of 24, my knowledge of NI politics sadly lacking

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[-] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago

I got 46%, and I'm a native Finn

[-] ambitiousslab@feddit.uk 7 points 2 days ago

67% for me, looks like I'm getting kicked out

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[-] bumblefumble@mander.xyz 4 points 2 days ago

I got 21 and I'm from Denmark. Most of them were not too hard. Some, like British History were a bit harder, but not impossible. The amount of NI parliament members though, that one was a complete shot in the dark.

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[-] DrBob@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago

92%. Canadian.

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