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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by skyline2@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/linux@lemmy.ml

Fork time? Maybe all the anti-systemd zealots were right all along...

Edit: To address whether it is likely that this change will affect users: Gnome is planning a stronger dependence on userdb, the part of systemd where this change is being implemented. https://blogs.gnome.org/adrianvovk/2025/06/10/gnome-systemd-dependencies/

Final Edit: The PR has been merged into main.

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[-] Cease@mander.xyz 26 points 1 month ago

It's so hilarious that the most recent thing that's happened on this shitty PR is a request for Claude to review their code.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

…Practically, what does this even mean for a systemd user like me?

What app would use this? And If anything actually uses the field, can't I just enter a random date, like I have across the internet forever?

[-] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 21 points 1 month ago

Self reporting has long been honored as the gold fucking standard for honesty! How dare you sully that with your very discrete scrolling to a random year, and not even bothering to select a date! Our data mining overlords will be displeased.

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[-] blobjim@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago

Nobody is forking systemd, especially over something like this. People have no idea how much work it is to maintain software like this.

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[-] kieron115@startrek.website 18 points 1 month ago

What is the alternative to systemd? I'm sort of a linux noob when it comes to this deeper level stuff.

[-] lilith267@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

SystemD isnt exactly a program but more of a group of projects, the only "core" SystemD software on most distros is the init system... Which you can run completely without SystemD's UserDB system (the part being talked about in the post).

Basically this means you as a user dont have to do anything but switch away from projects that depend on SystemD's UserDB (like Gnome), not SystemD as a whole

However if you do want to move away from SystemD as a whole you can replace your init system with another one, gentoo's wiki is a good starting point for learning a bit more: wiki. Personally I love using openrc but of you have no need to touch init files... Dont switch

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[-] filister@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Why do they need the age after all. What are authorities going to do with it?

[-] racoon@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 month ago

It’s important to tell the Children apart because they are very sought after

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 month ago

They (politicians) are obsessed with control.

[-] bskm@feddit.nu 25 points 1 month ago

To my understanding, it's also Meta that is lobbying for this. Basically pushing the responsibility elsewhere to the operating system vendors

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[-] njordomir@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

I am a Coloradan; I have already called all 4 cosponsors of the bill here. What can I do now? Does anyone know which orgs are fighting against this? We have a petition process to get constitutional amendments on the ballot. My dream would be to collect enough signatures to get this constitutional amendment on the next ballot but I think the deadline for submitting the text (prior to collecting sigs) is late this month:

"No form of AI or ID-based age verification shall be used as a condition for granting Colorado residents access to a website, internet service, or operating system. Age gates that rely exclusively on user-reported age may continue to be used in their current form to inform users that a website may not be appropriate for all users. Colorado recognizes that parents are the responsible party for what their children access online and that requiring ID verification for access to computing resources or digital resources is a violation of free speech and freedom of inquiry."

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[-] jefferyjefferson@lemmy.org 16 points 1 month ago

This is all to inch us towards an eventual Digital ID, similar to how we have a driver's license for a car.

[-] pathwonder@kopitalk.net 16 points 1 month ago

Does BSD use systemd? I always wanted to try it and if this keeps up I might take the plunge.

[-] Mambert@beehaw.org 26 points 1 month ago

There's systemdless Linux distros! I used Artix Linux with no issues.

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[-] amadaluzia@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'll start off my comment with something everyone can agree on: the age verification laws absolutely sucks. It's a surveillance law masquerading as a means of "protecting" children. It also completely undermines free and open source projects, and therefore, protected speech. The fact systemd had to add a birthDate field is unfortunate, however, I would blame the lawmakers for creating the law that the developers of systemd now have to comply with.

I'm okay with the implementation. It is an optional (meaning you have to add it yourself) field which only specifies the date of birth. It doesn't seem to be at all invasive, nor does it attempt to "verify" it at the moment. Granted, anything is possible, but I don't think there's a good enough reason why systemd would EVER feel the need to add age verification. Before you say anything regarding corporations, please answer this: why would a corporation add age verification to a system manager their servers depend on? How will that profit them?

I get why people are angry, but I think this anger should be funneled towards the lawmakers pulling off nonsense like this. Fight those who are actively trying to take your rights away. Bullying software developers for complying to international laws will lead to nothing but hate.

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[-] pucker4676@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago

I guess it's time to get back to TempleOS.

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[-] EnfauKerus@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago
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