No, so let's vibe unmaintainable code together!
I might not be the best, but I can still do a better job than AI
yes. yes I can. been doing it for 25 years.
Whoever upvoted this needs to read some books.
Maybe the real slop was the code we wrote along the way
I mean, yes, absolutely I can. So can my peers. I've been doing this for a long, long time, as have my peers.
The code we produce is many times more readable and maintainable than anything an LLM can produce today.
That doesn't mean LLMs are useless, and it also doesn't mean that we're irreplaceable. It just means this argument isn't very effective.
If you're comparing an LLM to a Junior developer? Then absolutely. Both produce about the same level of maintainable code.
But for Senior/Principal level engineers? I mean this without any humble bragging at all: but we run circles around LLMs from the optimization and maintainability standpoint, and it's not even close.
This may change in the future, but today it is true (and I use all the latest Claude Code models)
The biggest problem with using AI instead of junior developers is that junior developers eventually become senior developers. LLMs .... don't.
They might, but it does not seem likely to me and is definitely not guaranteed.
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When that coworker tells you "hah you must have generated this" but you coded this yourself 👀
"You need to try your best" "This was my best...."
Yes, and so can most experienced developers. In fact unmaintainable human-written code is more often caused by organisational dysfunctions than by lack of individual competence.
Yes. But the important thing is that now disfunctional organizations have access to tools to write unmaintainable code really fast.
In my experience there’s usually a confluence of individual and institutional failures.
It usually goes like this.
That's one of the failure modes, good orgs would have design and review processes to stop it.
There are other classics like arbitrary deadlines, conflicting and shifting requirements and product direction, perverse incentives, etc.
I would even say that the AI craze is a result of the latter.
Yeah, certain code developed organically (aka shifting demands). Devs know the code gets worse, but either by time or money they don't have the option to review and redo code.
I could.
I choose not to! Take that, LLM!
Exactly. I've been sabotaging the AI with shitty code output since long before LLMs existed. That's how I play 4D chess. (This is just meant to get a laugh. Some of my code is even quite nice, actually.)
I'm ass at coding and I still can, lmao
ITT: AI induced dunning-kruger. Everybody can write maintenable code, just somehow it happens that nobody does.
Most of the unmaintainable code I've seen is because businesses don't appreciate the need to occasionally refactor/rewrite or do anything to maintain code. They only appreciate piling more on. They'd do away with bug fixing too if they could.
This 100%
This is why AI coding is being pushed so hard. Guess what’s great at piling on at 30x speed? If piling on is all companies appreciate then that’s what they’ll demand.
It really depends on the situation. Can I write maintainable code? Yes, to the extent that the average senior dev can.
But that isn’t the same as being afforded the chance to write maintainable code. I’ve been part of teams where the timeline is so tight that technical debt is just a thing that builds up to be dealt with “later” and more stress is put on getting things done instead of keeping things maintainable.
The fact of the matter is that humans can while LLMs currently can’t.
On top of that, a human dev is going to be able to understand context a hell of a lot easier if they’ve previously worked on it, even if the code is less maintainable.
Can I, sure. Do I give af since my company doesn’t care about me as anything other than a number in a spreadsheet, no.
More maintainable that whatever shit it put out
Frankly I believe it can be maintainable if the person doing the prompting actually does something and correctly do their role of human reviewing and correcting. Vibe coding without any review is dooming the software maintainability
In my experience, the biggest problem is that maintainable code necessarily requires extending/adapting existing structures rather than just slapping a feature onto the side.
And if we're not just talking boilerplate, then this necessarily requires understanding the existing logic, which problems it solves, and how you can mold it to continue to solve those problems, while also solving the new problem.
For that, you can't just review the code afterwards. You have to do the understanding yourself.
And once you have a clear understanding, it's likely that the actual code change is rather trivial. At least more trivial than trying to convey your precise understanding to an LLM/intern/etc..
Pretty sure I can, considering I’m still maintaining a project I originally started in 2009, which is a core component of my email service.
Yes. That's literally the first point in my job description.
Yes.
I can produce NI-slop on my own. I don't need AI to do it for me.
Yes.
Why would you tell on yourself like this?
Haha. As the saying goes, "I still get paid."
You don't have to outrun the bear, you just have to outrun the other guy.
I think most devs here can out-maintainable-code an llm.
I can maintain any code I write myself, so long as I look at it at least once every month
I would like to think that I'm capable of writing maintainable code like seemingly everyone else in this thread, and I have multiple code bases that have existed for decades that have included necessary updates over time to reinforce that opinion.
I've also seen some truly unfathomable, Lovecraftian horror code in the wild that has persisted for decades.
Seeing Will Smith's character as a representative of humanity, and Sonny as a representative of LLM/GenAI in that context makes this joke absolutely hilarious.
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