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The optional birthDate field gives other projects a standardized data source for age verification compliance.

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Anyone heard from Linus Torvalds on the topic?

[-] other_cat@piefed.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Not to my knowledge. Granted all I did was a 1 second kagi search so there might be something floating out there. I do feel like if he made some kind of official statement, it'd be pretty big news though.

I started my Linux journey with PCLOS, then switched to Fedora, because I wanted to try Gnome, and have been using it for more than 20 years. Looks like I may need to switch back to PCLOS, since it does not use systemd, while also finding myself a new DE.

Currently, openKylinOS does not use systemd nor require age verification, so I might give it a go. I doubt China will give a rat's ass about California law. It also integrates with some versions Deep Seek, though I tend to be an AI Luddite.

[-] Supercrunchy@programming.dev 105 points 2 weeks ago

Of all terrible proposals coming up in this period, I'm still more-or-less ok with this system because the administrator is still in full control to set whatever date they want, and the field is entirely optional.

They call it "age verification" in the aricle, but there's no 3rd party "verification" whatsoever. It's just a field for the user birth date saved in the user metadata. This is IMHO acceptable because it doesn't force anybody to provide IDs or personal information to some random shady company.

I think calling it "age verification" is a bit confusing and will make people unhappy by default, but might be a smart move to make it compliant with the new laws coming out in this period (the user age was "verified" by the system administrator, after all).

[-] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago

Yep. Its honestly mild as hell.

Essentially legislation that says:

  • app stores have to have age categories to silo children, teens, and adults.
  • OSes have to have a field to collect this data from users when they set up their login, so it can be sent to app stores via API.

Its just a standardized system that should have been done ages ago, but was not a priority for standards orgs, so none stepped up - so legislation appeared.

I strongly argue that it should only apply to commercial OSes and app stores though - as they're the ones that primarily cause issues these laws intent to address.

Linux and FOSS have been caught in the crossfire in a privacy and personal data battle they were not involved in.

[-] tyler@programming.dev 30 points 2 weeks ago

The legislation is entirely to allow Facebook to get away with harming minors, so I wouldn’t call it mild in any sense of the word.

[-] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 weeks ago

The boiling pot goes up 1C, then another 1C

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[-] whelk@retrolemmy.com 22 points 2 weeks ago

For me at least, it's less about the age field itself and more about the swift act of compliance with an absurd and overbearing demand

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[-] Janx@piefed.social 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Good points. It's like websites with an age-gate: technically they're trying to keep out users under a certain age (usually minors), but there's no verification.

But we all need to remember that "protecting the children" and clutching our pearls is still not a good reason to let world governments and giant corporations create laws, demand our papers, keep massive databases of our data, and tie our real-world identities to our online ones. It will be the end of anonymity online, they'll use it for evil, and it will get hacked...

[-] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago

whereas I , out of pettiness, will switch an entire server to openRC to fuck over these assholes who only care about “line goes up”

[-] Vocalize8711@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

A man of culture, I see. Every system I admin runs SysVInit or OpenRC. I do not need a 'dictator' like systemd.

[-] jimmy90@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

the lemmy doomers must scratch their suicidal itch

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[-] TrivialBetaState@sopuli.xyz 50 points 2 weeks ago

I disagree. While I totally understand that it is an optional feature that can enabled and enforced only by others, I am not happy that the developers of systemd rushed to include it into the JSON file with the user info. I would expect the developers to be a bit more resistant to requests by two US states and Brazil. Why are they making it so easy? I guess we will see a resurgence of systemd-free dirstros.

[-] InevitableWaffles@midwest.social 14 points 1 week ago

Sorry, minor correction. Not all the systemd developers. One single dickhead wrote it and two chuds who work at microslop merged the PR made this happen. The git structure got hijacked. People are arguing over the validity and necessity of the PR while ignoring the broader goals this serves.

To be frank, I am so sick of this invasive nonsense. I have a son and you know how I'm going to manage access for him? Not fucking letting him have the damn computer before he knows how to use it safely. I grew up on Web 1 and web 2.0. They were much scarier places back in the day and easier to find.

Moreover, this also follows with the trend of sensationalizing threats to make the pearl clutchers feel this is a good choice. Its no different that how the news screams the US is unsafe with tons of violent crime to justify this kind of bullshit when violent crime has been declining on the whole.

This ginned up controversy serves one interest. Control access to knowledge so you never question the State again.

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[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

4 US states; California, New York, Colorado, and Illinois.

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[-] voidsignal@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago

Whatever the old farts will come with their stupid laws, SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKERS, it's Linux. It's always a sudo away from doing (or not) exactly what you (don't) want. I know. This is beyond their comprehension. Adding a field here is ok to me. Because if it ends up being used:

  • I can not set it
  • I can set it wrong
  • I can be 1000y old
  • I can have a different age for every request
  • I can prevent the shit accessing it from accessing it
  • I can uninstall the shit that is trying to access it

The only thing that will hurt from this are companies in CA, CO and wherever.

The average Linux user will not give a single fuck. I know I don't.

[-] eleitl@lemmy.zip 24 points 2 weeks ago

A lot of people born January the first, 1970.

[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

Ahh, another Epoch traveler

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[-] exaybachae@startrek.website 18 points 2 weeks ago

I like the idea of a system add-on that randomizes all user age responses with a different date that equals like 25-99years old (assuming 25 years meets the highest age for the applicable standards).

Not too dissimilar from a random MAC address generating feature.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKERS, it's Linux was my band in high school.

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[-] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

And really, when was the last time some megacorp tried to access userdb on any machine?

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[-] texture@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago

ohh now theyve gone and done it.

normies are gonna start hating on systremd for this. which will upset the og systemd haters for hating systemd for the wrong reasons, thereby frustrating the og systemd haters and helping them achieve new yet unmet levels of hate for systemd.

just a guess

[-] forestbeasts@pawb.social 10 points 2 weeks ago

eh?

og systemd hater (ish) here, personally I'm hoping to team up with the new systemd haters. This is just yet Another reason to hate on it, haha. We can work together!

(granted we came to Linux (from Mac) lonnggg after systemd already got entrenched, but the reasons we hated systemd (before now) were the same sorts of "it's trying to take over everything" reasons that the og haters hate it for)

-- Frost

[-] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 weeks ago

Yes. I also hate feeling confused about where my hatred for SystemD firsts into the bigger picture

[-] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

isn’t enough that we all hate the same thing? lets not overthink this. All I want is a socially-accepted smoldering crater

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[-] kbal@fedia.io 24 points 2 weeks ago

How to get age verification into linux? Easy, just tell Poettering that if he doesn't hurry up and do it first, some non-systemd approach might become the standard.

[-] Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 6 points 2 weeks ago

This isn't age verification. It's just adding the field into the user record so it can be used if your distro decides to collect that information.

[-] admin@scrapetacular.ydns.eu 1 points 1 day ago

I think we should start calling this age attestation rather than verification, or does the confusion help us here by making the linux ecosystem seem like it's more compliant than it is?

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

This isn't about age verification, this is about him sabotaging linux instead of sabotaging encroachment by authoritarians in every single aspect of life. He didn't have to go and shove the entire boot down his throat, but here we are.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/revoluciana-facing-fascism-sabotage

Sabotage sounds spicy. It sounds dangerous.

And yet, the underlying concept is simply this: inefficiency.

I told you last time, make every inch have its cost.

Resistance does not have to be violent, and that’s not something I’m advocating here. Resistance is the word no. Resistance is standing in place. Resistance is pushing.

Resistance is the albatross around the neck of your opposition. Resistance is the anchor that drags along the sea floor.

Here are some incredibly mundane but effective examples from the manual:

Make mistakes with purchasing travel tickets

Make engineering mistakes

Make long speeches and waste time

Act ignorant, or ask a lot of questions: if you’re not familiar with the concept of sea-lioning, you should really learn it

Take longer to do your work

Even if you’re terrified of doing more, this is simply a place to start.

You are someone and you have a responsibility to do something.

You cannot make it easier for the fascists to achieve their goals. You can’t do it today, and you can’t do it later if they claim authority. You must stand in the way of oppression.

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[-] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

its building a surveillance infrasttucture.

this feature does not solve a problem. but it is abusable by creating dependancies. it has no reason to exist. it is not there to solve a technical problem, but instead a political one.

[-] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

the operating systems job is to negotiate between software and hardware. its there to make sure “my red triangle program draws the same red triangle on anything running this environment regardless of the parts used to build the machine”. its not there to rat you out to a surveillance state or advertisers or meta.

The idea that this protects children is insane and nobody believes this for a second. Hormones happened and little timmy has discovered the wonders of nudity and friction. age attestation doesn’t stop that. it doesn’t stop horrible people from preying on that. it doesn’t teach timmy the difference between fantasy and what a healthy relationship really looks like. it doesn’t address any of those things.

it tracks people. that is all it does. that is all it is for. and considering literal nazis are in power, nobody wants this. it does not solve a problem.

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[-] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 17 points 2 weeks ago

its age attestation, not age verification (saying it vs proving it). also, dont give systemd shit about this bc they are just covering their asses in case more restrictive laws go through.

[-] Unleaded8163@fedia.io 16 points 2 weeks ago

They're not even really covering their asses. They don't make an OS, they make a small but important art of many distros. They're providing a clean, standardized way for Linux distros from RedHat to Ageless to comply with the law if they choose to. Some distros will comply with the law to the letter, others will not comply out of spite. At least the ones that comply will do it in a standard way.

[-] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

I am kinda giving them shit for when someone pointed out that they're essentially storing PII completely unsecured and their response was "you should use app isolation anyway". That is not a good security model.

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[-] whelk@retrolemmy.com 14 points 2 weeks ago

I think the fact that they acted so quickly to comply is the problem

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[-] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Which values should I absolutely not manually write into the birthday field Json data, because they could break the DB on the other side when storing unsanitized input?

[-] massacre@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Asking for a friend?

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

I had problems with systemd before... but this capitulation to what is clearly an unconstitutional demand...

fuck systemd devs. fuck them all.

I see a lot of people freaking out about this, but adding this as an optional field was the right call.

This way, distros can choose for themselves whether or not they want to use it during account creation.

[-] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

optional sounds reasonable now. its gets its foot in the door. it sounds like compromise. but then, other things start depending on it. and if you dont comply, they just dont work. its a dependancy. break that dependency become incompatible.

this is not solving any problem. Sites already have the “are you 18” thing that says you aren’t allowed to know about naked people doing naked people things that we all ignored as teenagers and grew up just fine.

[-] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago

At least someone gets it.

It's kinda crazy how many people here claim to use linux or even actually use linux, but apparently don't know what the operating system does and what the system manager does.

[-] Valarie@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago

With that I wish to share this with everyone https://agelesslinux.org/

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