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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by Rose@lemmy.zip to c/privacy@lemmy.world

Soon after I joined Lemmy a few years ago, I searched for communities based on my interests and subscribed to the ones with the highest numbers of users to ensure they are active. Sometimes I joined multiple, but then saw that some people post the same thing to more than one, cluttering my feed, so I left the smaller ones.

It's only after my community ban from !games@hexbear.net for disagreeing about Ukraine that I was told about MeanwhileOnGrad, learning exactly what "the tankie triad" means and why big Lemmy instances have defederated from those. Lemmy.ml, where the ML probably stands for Marxist-Leninist, seems to have been defederated by fewer, possibly because it's run by the creator of Lemmy, Dessalines. Nevertheless, there is evidence of Dessalines holding the same authoritarian communist views as the rest.

Recently, there were two posts on !privacy@lemmy.ml about Signal, but then in both cases, admin davel (who is known on MoG for seeing CIA's hand in running Ukraine, among other things) and Dessalines linked (1, 2, 3) the same article by Dessalines, which not only argues Signal could be a CIA honeypot (as if it matters when proper e2ee is used), but also manages to shoehorn China even into that, claiming its government "prefers autonomy". This sort of portrayal of totalitarianism as sovereignty is the reason I unsubscribed from the community. As it has been said by others, ML is not a neutral instance but a means of pushing authoritarian views onto unsuspecting users.

Edit: Made the post title clearer.

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[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 week ago

Your life on the fediverse improves significantly if you just block the entire lemmy.ml and hexbear.net instances.

[-] Rose@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago

Getting closer and closer to that! The reason I made this post to begin with is to do a PSA, because it took me months of being subscribed to games on Hexbear to notice it's not a leftist community as it presents itself, but authoritarian communist. So I can't be certain all of their users are in the know, but is it worth keeping the instances unblocked if the bad outweighs the possibility of good?

[-] jimmy90@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

no you're not missing out on anything

these servers were some of the first which is why they appear to have a lot of communities

all the communities have moved on or been replaced on other servers so these servers are now a tiny fraction (faction? hoho) of the fediverse, exactly for the reason you experienced

[-] prettybunnys@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago

Much of the “left” communities here veer towards the auth right with a light “left rebranding”

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I hear a lot of negative talk about those instances, but rarely any specifics. What's the deal with them?

[-] Sophocles@infosec.pub 4 points 1 week ago

In my own experience, it's less that they spew out politics and more that they are just so defensive and argumentative. A lot of good lemmy communities are based on discussion and sharing cool stuff, while the denizens of those instances and the like are more online to debate, nitpick, and criticize. Like there could be a post of a dog picture and their comment would be critisizing the owner or introducing some political argument that is distantly related. Like bro, just enjoy the dog picture

[-] yesterday@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

This. I've seen a lot of obnoxious and/or argumentative comments from them, but one that stuck with me was when my first Lemmy instance had to close when Trump was inaugurated due to safety fears.

The first comment to the announcement post was a hexbear user saying something like "Yeah this is why capitalism doesn't work, America sucks and it needs to go down" -- which I do not disagree with, but the post was the admin sharing genuine fears and talking about the logistics of having to move to another state. The user didn't even say a "I'm sorry you have to close your instance because of this...", just straight up getting into politics when it wasn't the main point of the post.

(I will always miss you, possumpat.io; I hope the admin is safe and thriving!)

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[-] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

They are fake leftists working for fascists, and they will troll you if you argue with them, following you around on alt accounts with non tankie instances.

[-] Gigasser@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Supposedly a lot of the first people on lemmy were leftists and or tankies. My thing is though is that advocating for defederation weakens Lemmy, less communities to interact with, less content or posts to engage with, less people to interact with which cause echo chambers and hugboxes. Nor would I agree with defederating people just because they have views that I don't like or vehemently disagree with. As bad as some tankies are, they sometimes do make a few good points here and there.

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 2 points 1 week ago

Hypocrisy largely. Heavy micro management and over moderation by admins broadly. Thankfully most are self aware enough outside hexbear to not leave their echo chamber. There are a few sub's documenting it.

Should discussion touch on certain trigger topics, and should your view deviate from dogma. You will often find yourself banned, either temporarily or permanently, without much discussion. Do you think imperialism and invasion of another country is wrong? Such as the United States current invasion of Iran or past invasions of Afghanistan? Well, if you happen to feel the same way about the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan or modern day Russia's invasion of Ukraine. You would be classified as a mush-brained, imperialist turbo-lib.

Do you think genocide and cultural erasure such as what the United States and Canada did to First Nations people is wrong? Don't make a mistake of applying that unbiased to the plight of cultural minorities in China. Tibet, Hong Kong, and the Uhygers, all of course are glad to sacrifice their cultural and ethnic heritage. Under the penalty of imprisonment or death for glorious left unity with the party and President Xi. Any discussion of these groups dissatisfaction with it is CIA propaganda. And not well tolerated.

If you skirt around in only the most niche of communities with hyper-focused specific topics. Who have almost no capability ever touching or involving current events. You might avoid it. Otherwise you will run afoul of it at some point as many have.

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[-] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

They are tankie instances, where they think and then push narratives such as China is the greatest country in the world and does no wrong and that Ukraine is full of Nazis and Russia is the good guy They love their authoritarianism, but only as long as it's "communist" or generally antagonistic towards anything "western."

Anything that contradicts their narrow worldview is met with hostility, comment removals, bans, etc.

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[-] socsa@piefed.social 7 points 1 week ago

Lmao, bro Dessalines is legitimately the most cringe person on the entire internet. He literally will not comment outside his own instance, because he cannot handle any form of internet where he doesn't have his magic "win argument" ban button.

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[-] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago

I don't give their opinions on China, Russia, NK, Iran, Ukraine, any sort of credibility. I've been banned from some of their comms but they're on point for pointing out the crimes and hypocrisy of the west, and there's a lot of deliberate effort to minimize their reach.

Fuck em' for defending authoritarianism but without them it's all propaganda from mass mainstream media and whitewashing of the west.

tldr: Fuck tankies and wankies trying to whitewash their atrocities with concern trolling.

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[-] Yliaster@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Noooo "calling it "authoritarian" is meaningless"!!!

Stop "phrasemongering", it's "not fascism" when China pulls its shit! China also not guilty of Uyghur genocide, that's western propaganda you racist!

Smh. Tankie propaganda was making me mad, I'm actually glad I got banned off their subs for adamantly refusing to accept their lines of reasoning for their blatant, apologetic, wholly uncritical acceptance of china.

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[-] Greg@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 week ago

Unfortunately I am considering creating lengthy black lists of trolls and irreversibly corrupted/poisoned instances. Still better than using a corporate operated political brainwashing platform.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

the tankie triad, plus .worlds politics(only because they are too pro-zionist), any individual accounts with .ml or hexbear i will block only if they start ranting.

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[-] homes@piefed.world 4 points 1 week ago

I’ve had hexbear blocked for so long, I actually forgot about it. Wow, that place is nuts!

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[-] pinto@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Yes hello, I would like to learn more about privacy.

But don’t tell me about threats to my privacy unless I already know about them.

I don’t want to change my mental model of the world, I already know everything important.

[-] Rose@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

Because praise for China is to improve privacy? Is that a religious thing?

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[-] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Once had a ml slag try to reason to me that political censorship is good lol

It was high in "but but the those people over there are bad why can't I be?" energy.

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[-] solrize@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Wtf, and E2EE and honeypot don't necessarily conflict. Especially since monitoring traffic to the centralized servers tells you who is talking to who. Knowing what they are saying to each other (which is all that encryption prevents) is often less important.

I doubt that Signal is literally a CIA honeypot but it does seem to have some conflicts of interest.

[-] AlmightyDoorman@kbin.earth 4 points 1 week ago

I am not technical versed in this side of things but afaik the way signal is structured they cant even tell who you are talking to. (I mean maybe there is some way around it, they control the servers after all, i dont know if the claim is verifable)

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