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your value (quokk.au)
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[-] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago

Oh that's good, could you please contact my bank/government/utilities/grocery stores etc and let them know that? They keep doing that to me

[-] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 6 points 7 hours ago

They dont value you at all and never will! Isnt it liberating?

[-] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

Labor theory of value says no.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

We may roughly say that the man who during his lifetime has deprived himself of leisure during ten hours a day has given far more to society than the one who has only deprived himself of leisure during five hours a day, or who has not deprived himself at all. But we cannot take what he has done during two hours and say that the yield is worth twice as much as the yield of another individual, working only one hour, and remunerate him in proportion. It would be disregarding all that is complex in industry, in agriculture, in the whole life of present society; it would be ignoring to what extent all individual work is the result of past and present labour of society as a whole. It would mean believing ourselves to be living in the Stone Age, whereas we are living in an age of steel.

If you enter a coal-mine you will see a man in charge of a huge machine that raises and lowers a cage. In his hand he holds a lever that stops and reverses the course of the machine; he lowers it and the cage turns back in the twinkling of an eye; he raises it, he lowers it again with a giddy swiftness. All attention, he follows with his eyes fixed on the wall an indicator that shows him On a small scale, at which point of the shaft the cage is at each second of its progress; as soon as the indicator has reached a certain level he suddenly stops the course of the cage, not a yard higher nor lower than the required spot. And no sooner have the colliers unloaded their coal-wagons, and pushed empty ones instead, than he reverses the lever and again sends the cage back into space.

During eight or ten consecutive hours he must pay the closest attention. Should his brain relax for a moment, the cage would inevitably strike against the gear, break its wheels, snap the rope, crush men, and obstruct work in the mine. Should he waste three seconds at each touch of the lever, in our modern perfected mines, the extraction would be reduced from twenty to fifty tons a day.

Is it he who is of greatest use in the mine? Or, is it perhaps the boy who signals to him from below to raise the cage? Is it the miner at the bottom of the shaft, who risks his life every instant, and who will some day be killed by fire-damp? Or is it the engineer, who would lose the layer of coal, and would cause the miners to dig on rock by a simple mistake in his calculations? And lastly, is it the mine owner who has put all his capital into the mine, and who has perhaps, contrary to expert advice asserted that excellent coal would be found there?

All the miners engaged in this mine contribute to the extraction of coal in proportion to their strength, their energy, their knowledge, their intelligence, and their skill. And we may say that all have the right to live, to satisfy their needs, and even their whims, when the necessaries of life have been secured for all. But how can we appraise their work?

And, moreover, Is the coal they have extracted their work? Is it not also the work of men who have built the railway leading to the mine and the roads that radiate from all its stations? Is it not also the work of those that have tilled and sown the fields, extracted iron, cut wood in the forests, built the machines that burn coal, and so on?

No distinction can be drawn between the work of each man. Measuring the work by its results leads us to absurdity; dividing and measuring them by hours spent on the work also leads us to absurdity. One thing remains: put the needs above the works, and first of all recognize the right to live, and later on, to the comforts of life, for all those who take their share in production.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread#toc56

[-] Whelks_chance@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

What definition of value are we using here? If it's a metric, are we saying that people can have different values, but it's not measuring productivity? Or is it a useless 1 == 1 type measurement rendering the word "value" largely useless as a quantitative descriptor? (As opposed to qualitative)

[-] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 hour ago

Hey that's not fair. He spiked that rose stem into the pavement like a champ!

[-] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 1 points 7 hours ago

Your value comes from your mass.

this post was submitted on 23 Mar 2026
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