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[-] kevinsbacon@lemmy.today 30 points 1 week ago

Wtf is there segregated healthcare in the UK?

[-] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 24 points 1 week ago

I'm not familiar with situation in the UK, but in other countries there are NGOs that try to complement the national healthcare services, ranging from financing ambulances to at home care. They are often tied to religious movements.

At a quick glance, Hatzola Northwest seems to provide services for free to everyone in their catchment area, so any segregation is geographic in origin.

[-] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago

Nope, it is an adjunct funded by the Jewish community to avoid accidental things not approved of (can't list what as I can't recall).

[-] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago

I believe it has to do with Kosher blood.

[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

Not exactly. The Orthodox Jews run their own service in a lot of places. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatzalah

Two things:

  1. It’s not restricted the the UK. Hartzola (the various orthodox Jewish ambulances services) operate all over the world.
  2. Although they tend to be based in majority Jewish areas, they don’t restrict their service to Jews, as part of their code.
[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago

So is the point to cover specific religious taboos?

[-] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago

This is an antisemitic attack. The perpetrators must be brought to justice.

Nothing to do with critical views about Israel's unlawful and illegitimate / inhumane violence. The perpetrators must be brought to justice.

[-] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 5 points 1 week ago

Must they? Do they even have that on terf island?

[-] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 week ago

An exerpt from "the big book of rules of how to be a decent human being" for you

"Rule 1. Dont be a cunt.

The end."

This concludes the big book of rules of how to be a decent human being.

And yes, despitethe actions of the settler state, and the actions of britain that led to ths creation of said genocidal state, there are still laws in the UK to protect EVERYONE, even if they fall for propaganda and support hateful things.

Someone far smarter than I am said

"If you don't support human rights for everyone, you don't support human rights at all."

[-] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I dont think we disagree on the general direction of what justice would be. Im pessimistic it can happen there.

Im really fucking sick of clarifying this. I know the full responsibility of my frustration does not fall on you and it may not be fair to demand an answer to the following question but i do hope i can still ask without offending:

Why the fuck is the default assumption that my expectations and hopes are the same, with no gulf between them? What the actual fuck is fucking wrong with so fucking many people, including yourself?

Are you all children? Do you assume im a child? If you assume im a child, is this some sort of default or do i raise some sort of flag?

If you are not a child or assuming im a child then how on earth do you expect depth or nuance when every statement must conform to your immediate visceral emotional response and assume is=aught?

[-] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago

You asked "Must they" as if there was a situation whete they shouldn't be punished to the full extent of the law (at the very least that's my interpretation of your question) and then called the uk a terf country that doesn't have any laws.

Hence my joke about the big book of rules

[-] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Must not should. Jesus's syphilitic cock i hate what weve made of our species.

[-] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Nobody said "should"?

Genuinely don't get where the distinction is, like "they must get punished" and "they should get punished" say the same thing

Unless you're thinking along the lines of "they will" vs "they should", in which case I get where you're coming from

[-] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Yes, unless we adopt the principle of ignoring crimes.

[-] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 2 points 1 week ago

When conservatives and those who serve their interests do them, we already have.

Yes, the perpetrators must be brought to justice.

No, we shouldn’t assume it’s an anti-Jewish attack…given the current situation re Israel.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If you're attacking a Jewish organization just for being Jewish and assuming that means they bear the burden of Israeli crimes you're an anti-semite.

If you attack an ambulance performing medical duties for any reason, you're a peace of shit that deserves to get got and are almost certainly being a bigot of some form.

Agree with both. But neither are parts of the facts of the event to my knowledge. I’d prefer that we knew something about the attackers and their motivations before we jump to antisemitism.

Commenters like you not being able to separate an ethnicity from a nationality are no different to the motivations you ascribe to the unknown attacker, as far as bigotry is concerned.

[-] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Jewish people throughout the world reap what Israel has sown

Having said that, don't think for a second that this group aren't Zionists

[-] davetortoise@reddthat.com 22 points 1 week ago

Not at all relevant if they're zionist or not. It's a volunteer ambulance service

[-] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I disagree

And if you've seen how orthodox jews treat other people in London, you might sing a different song

[-] davetortoise@reddthat.com 14 points 1 week ago

Civilians are civilians. Nothing can ever justify attacks on healthcare infrastructure. That's an absolute

Hartzola? They’re not Zionists, to my knowledge. They tend to be Jewish orthodox healthcare professionals, most of whom are neutral on Zionism, and some who are even anti-Zionist.

[-] entropiclyclaude@lemmy.wtf 6 points 1 week ago

Jewish or Israeli?

The distinction matters.

[-] i_ben_fine@midwest.social 10 points 1 week ago

This might be a dumb time to ask this question. It's an ambulance service in London. It's Bri'ish.

[-] entropiclyclaude@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 week ago

I don’t know if you’re aware, but they can be Bri’ish and Jewish and/or Zionist at the same time.

I’m still trying to figure out when the ambulance converted to Judaism

[-] i_ben_fine@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago

I do not believe you're ignorant of why a Jewish community would have its own volunteer ambulance service. Which doesn't leave many options for your JAQing.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

It really doesn’t since 85-90% of jews support the Jewish state as it currently operates. This was also an Orthodox Jewish service so definitely Israel supporters.

[-] entropiclyclaude@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 week ago

Entirely made up statistic by an actual antisemite piece of shit. Go fuck yourself nazi.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/op_eds/2025/02/14/the-vast-majority-of-us-jews-support-israel-lets-act-on-that-knowledge/

“Surveys in other countries where there is both a sizable Jewish community and a coruscating wave of antisemitism have delivered similar results. Hamas and its international cheerleaders are widely detested, and Israel is regarded supportively and affectionately.”

Yes the number is likely around that 85% mark.

https://www.ajc.org/news/ajc-survey-shows-american-jews-are-deeply-and-increasingly-connected-to-israel

[-] entropiclyclaude@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 week ago

Of course that’s what that data says - it’s from the fucking Zionists.

If I grab curated data points written by a group wanting to promote their agenda, I too can back up unsubstantiated claims.

The problem clearly stated with your “polls”

https://jewishcurrents.org/are-95-of-jews-really-zionists

https://jewishvirtuallibrary.org/anti-zionism-among-jews

https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/resource/zionism/

Go home racist.

[-] jefferyjefferson@lemmy.org 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You can share and question sources without resorting to insults.

They don't help your case and just make you look insecure about your argument.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Your sources are older, from before October 7th and the rallying around Jewish identity.

To mimic your point. Of course that’s what the data says - it’s from “liberal” jews trying to cover for Israel.

[-] entropiclyclaude@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 week ago

oh my god. You’re not worth the air you breathe you antisemitic piece of shit Nazi.

Do me a favor and the rest of the world a favor eat an entire bottle of advil.

You aren’t worth the energy it takes to move my thumbs. You aren’t worth the air you breathe. You are a complete waste of a pile of shit.

Kill yourself, you racist fuck.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

That’s a lot of words to not refute my previous statements. You know I’m right and can’t / won’t accept it. The Jewish ethnoreligion sees you as cattle, a slave for when they rule the world.

[-] MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I’d be interested to know who did this, and why, rather than knee-jerk to anti-Jewish violence. I would first assume that the violence is anti-Israel, with no information, given the current political climate.

It’s my understanding that Hatzola aren’t politically active and that some of their members are actually anti-Zionists. If they were targeted by anti-Zionists, then these criminals are ignorant, stupid, or anti-Jewish…I wouldn’t assume the latter.

[-] parson0@startrek.website 2 points 1 week ago

Londoners have a right to defend themselves

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