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[-] carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There are two parts of this problem:

  1. If you are connected to the grid and using it you need to pay for it somehow. This is not a capitalisim thing this is a maintenance issue. Deploying lots of rooftop solar reduces the amount people are paying the grid operators for the same infrastructure as before while they are still using it. This could be solved by making the grid operators public utilities again and charging taxes instead of billing electric rates. Either way rooftop solar owners are going to need to pay grid fees unless they are entirely disconnected from the grid (this is rarely ever the case).
  2. It creates issues where generation may outstrip load as well as transmission and storage capacity. A lot of this can be solved with more investment but if you are earning less of power sales and still need to maintain everything this can be financially challenging.

There is also a third problem where home solar isn't centrally planned resulting in cases where utilities need to delay homeowners' solar installations while they figure out grid capacity.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 6 points 1 month ago

Uh, most countries have a base utility fee that's charged, and then usage on top of that.

Tried that one?

Most of summer our bills are negative use because we have a fuckoff huge solar array, but we still pay "property charges"

[-] meekah@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 month ago

How about just decoupling grid fees from electricity costs? As in a base fee and in turn a cheaper price on electricity used

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 month ago

That seems to be what is happening in some states. They have a minimum price which is effectively the cost of hooking up to the grid.

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[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 7 points 1 month ago

How can the price go negative? There's always going to be maintenance costs that have to be covered if nothing else.

[-] sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago

It's like a dumpster filling up, where you have to pay a waste management company to come haul that stuff away, at least if people can't find a way to take it off your hands for free.

[-] Tja@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago

The idea is there such an abundance of energy that they are willing to pay you to consume some of it to keep the net stable at 50 (or 60) Herz.

In practice, there are always taxes and surcharges that the final prices is not negative, but is lower than the surcharges themselves.

Too much energy is not good for the system, so there must be a way of compensation.

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[-] TheHighRoad@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Won't someone PLEASE think of the prices?!

[-] lemmyd0ggy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

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[-] KulunkelBoom@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago

They've found the same is true for the wind, that the oil robbers can't own that either... I think Maria may own the wind... I'm not sure. They call it that... the wind, that is.

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