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Author Frank Herbert on Police (slrpnk.net)
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[-] Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is not correct, our police in Finland is trusted by people and not corrupt.

How you get there:

  1. hold police accountable (e.g. every time police fires their firearm, there is investigation that was it necessary)

  2. require higher education (getting to police requires 3 years bachelor degree)

  3. teach them de-escalation instead of force

  4. have police always patrol in pairs (if police is alone, their gun is their partner)

  5. pay them enough

[-] Five@slrpnk.net 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The people of Finland has done a lot of work to keep the police in check. It's not enough.

This is what "ranked the second least corrupt country in the world" looks like:

Finnish police -- Police crimes and mistakes

According to the Attorney General, there is a need in Finland for a full-time police criminal case processing unit that would operate nationwide and independently. According to him, other Nordic countries have separate units for investigating police crimes. Only in Finland is the "hair coat model" used, where police criminal cases are investigated by other police officers under the authority of the Public Prosecutor, as a rule, in addition to their own duties.

According to the state prosecutor, the processing times for police crimes are very long and erode citizens' trust in the system.

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[-] Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Almost all of these are about the same subject. Yes, the former head of drug police was arrested, ridiculed, prosecuted, and jailed. In many countries he would have bribed himself off, but he got caught, and was brought to justice, like anyone else.

[-] Five@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago

Almost all? You're grasping at straws. Two of the five stories posted are about a top cop, each from a separate outlet for credibility. There's a saying that "bad apples spoil the bunch" - and if the head of Finland's biggest city's drug and narcotics unit is selling drugs, what does that say about the bunch? The police didn't even have the skills suspect him; it was the investigative work of an heroic sex worker that tipped off the police.

It's a catch-22. If they haven't been caught yet, it's just speculation, hearsay, and slander. If they've been caught, then it's proof that the system works. Typical statistics like 40% of homicides go unsolved, 50% of violent crime goes unreported. What do you think are the statistics of reporting crime when the people you report it to are also the group causing it?

[-] Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago

Your links that you posted was all about the same case. This is the only major case in Finland's police history. Yes, it is unfortunate and must not be underestimated.

I am not a police sickofan, General thing is that near all Finnish people trust the police (95%), as it should be. You can ask about it from anyone from here.

https://medium.com/@turpinrt/why-are-finnish-police-trusted-so-much-more-than-american-police-255b754f68c0

[-] Five@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You can ask about it from anyone from here.

Your responses indicate you're not actually reading the links I posted. But fine, let's ask a Finnish police officer if we should trust the police:

According to the blog, the Helsinki police have assaulted suspects in numerous ways, including pushing them down the stairs. The author highlights the blatantly racist and sexist attitudes prevalent in the police force and accuses officers of using steroids and engaging in sexual harassment.

One post details how officers competed with each other to see who could reach the furthest distance when flinging homeless alcoholics out of police cars while transporting them to shelters at night.

The blog also points out how officers were far more likely to exhibit aggressive or violent behaviour towards suspects with a foreign background. The author criticises the fact that suspected criminal activity on the part of an officer is investigated by the police itself and calls for greater transparency.

Comparison to American police is a pretty low bar. Public surveys are measures of propaganda initiatives, and indicate successful reality distortion, not reality.

[-] TrismegistusMx@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 year ago

These are all things that help mitigate authority, they do not enhance authority.

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Being better trained bastards doesn't make them any less bastards.
They serve capital, not you.
The fact that you haven't had the collective chance to find that out yet (or, considering the examples op provided, which I'm sure are far from the full extent of the problem - deliberately ignore the problem) doesn't mean it isn't the case.

ACAB

[-] Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sure, be a full anarchist. US system is rotten to it's core, but doesn't mean that this is the case everywhere else.

Edit: And Finland is social democracy, we are far from late stage capitalism that us is.

[-] roofuskit@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

It's only inevitable if the will of people allows it. Choosing to hold police accountable goes a long way to preventing the issues we have in the US.

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