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Using CRISPR-Cas9, scientists engineered a yeast to produce the nutrient feed. Farmers could have it in two years.

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[-] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 53 points 1 month ago

The solution is so simple. Crop/pollen diversity. Instead of letting fields lay fallow for crop rotation, they could plant diverse wildflower meadows to improve quality of bee health for the traveling bees that get shipped around for crop rotation. Or the bee keepers themselves that sell the services of their bees, could ensure diverse flower and pollen options when their bees aren't traveling.

[-] manxu@piefed.social 15 points 1 month ago

Get outta here with your sensible, practical solutions! ;-)

[-] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Seems easier than engineering edible yeast to get them the sterols they need.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

But Brawndo has the electrolites that plants crave!

Just in case the joke is too far of a stretch to make the connection, what I'm saying is the obvious simple solution isn't profitable.

They'd rather sell you a solution that doesn't actually work, then give you a solution that works that they can't make profit on.

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[-] skyline2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

But you see they can sell this! Can't sell "fallow fields"...

[-] arrow74@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

Yes well known fact we shouldn't research any technology to reverse the collapse of our biosphere or to alleviate climate change. Wouldn't want anyone being able to sell that tech. Best we just turn off the lights and plant some flowers.

I love planting some flowers, but we're going to need technology to undo the mess we created.

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[-] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 month ago

It also doesn't degrade ecosystems further.

Bees aren't just the domesticated honey bees.

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[-] cobysev@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Note for those passing through and not reading articles:

This is not a summary of the article, but OP's suggestion for a solution. The article talks about creating a yeast product that's lacking in bees' diet due to climate change and a lack of diversity in flowers.

OP suggests combatting the effects climate change has on biodiversity by planting your own diverse flowers. Which may work, or climate change may just kill those too.

[-] PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I re call watching Clarkson's Farm and he was paid to grow wildflowers in one of the fields for these very reasons.

[-] Anivia@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago

Yeah, the government subsidy for that was so high that it was more profitable than growing grain on the field (which is admittedly not hard, since he made a loss on his grain fields)

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Instead of letting fields lay fallow for crop rotation, they could plant diverse wildflower meadows to improve quality of bee health for the traveling bees that get shipped around for crop rotation.

I can see a potential problem with this suggestion. How many of those wildflowers are net nitrogen fixers? If they are net-negative this approach could be draining all the nitrogen out of the soil during off-rotation years meaning large amounts of petrochemical fertilizer would have to be used to make the field productive again for nitrogen consuming crops (like wheat and corn).

[-] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

Key Native Nitrogen-Fixing Wildflowers:

  • Lupines (Lupinus spp.): Includes Texas Bluebonnet and various perennial species; they thrive in poor soil and are loved by pollinators.
  • Prairie Clover (Dalea spp.): Purple (Dalea purpurea) and White (Dalea candida) are drought-tolerant perennials that fix high levels of nitrogen.
  • False Indigo (Baptisia spp.): Sturdy perennials with showy, pea-like flower spikes (e.g., Blue False Indigo).
  • Partridge Pea (Chamaecrista fasciculata): An annual that grows rapidly, making it excellent for disturbed soils.
  • Wild Senna (Senna hebecarpa): A tall perennial that produces yellow flowers.
  • Canada Milkvetch (Astragalus canadensis): A hardy, native perennial.
  • Groundnut (Apios americana): A vine-like wildflower with edible tubers.

https://edgeofthewoodsnursery.com/wp-content/uploads/Native-Plants-for-Nitrogen-Fixation.pdf

Cheers

[-] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

Several of those are going to be perennial and end up competing with mono-culture crops the following year(s) (not that I'm trying to defend mono-culture crops, but that's what they're planting). It's a good idea, but not necessarily as simple as you're implying. Still it's an idea that's not without some merit. The biggest obstacle to adoption is no one is making a significant profit off of it, so it's unlikely to see much uptake.

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[-] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Bees went fucking nuts for my lupine, even while living in an urban environment. Only problem was that the aphids did too. So many that it was revolting. I had to aggressively remove them every single day of the colonies would explode and destroy my lupine within a very short time. They'd suck it dry.

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[-] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

I'm sure things are different in different parts of the world, but where I'm from, pretty much none of the big crop farms let fields lay truly fallow. Most of them plant various cold season cover crops that include things like clover, brassicas, and legumes like vetch. Those all produce lots of flowers that feed the bees in the off season.

The issue with wildflower meadows, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that most of those wildflowers bloom at times when the fields would otherwise be needed for crop production. Of course, there are farmers who skip planting at all some years, but in my neck of the woods, nobody does that. They plant every year, at least once, they just rotate different crops in and out. Corn one year. Hay then soy, the next. And so on.

[-] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Bee extinction means no polination, no polination means no crops; penny wise and pound foolish.

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[-] DragonAce@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I learned during COVID about planting diverse local wildflowers to help with pollination in my small little garden I used to have. I ended up dedicating like an 8x6 planter just for wildflowers every year. Always had tons of bees, hummingbirds, and butterflies. I honestly never realized how many species of bees there were. The first year I did it I tripled my veggie yield, never looked back.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 40 points 1 month ago

That is awesome news BUT

The real reason is humanity being a bunch of irresponsible greedy fuckwads, and I fear that this will be used not in the "let's be less greedy, let's fix the problems and let's use this to help the bees" but more as a "woohoo, bee factory farming!" and "W00T, this means we can fuck over bees even more, let's go!"

Can we please stop it with the greed?

[-] Vupware@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 month ago

Greed is incentivized both neurologically and economically. You cannot count on all of humanity rewiring their brain. We must destroy the economic incentives and then work on countering the neurological component.

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

I doubt we can remove the neurological component, let alone without it fucking up. Greed is an abstraction of our old survival instincts since as a general rule the tribe, clan, village or whatever would counter the worst effects. The end goal should be to reimplement those social control mechanisms, what that looks like is probably regulation's and maybe beating some folks over the head with a 2x4.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago

Maybe we can steer the neurological component to focus on activity that offers positive benefits to society, like art. Substitute something good for something bad. It just takes a bit of time for the brain to find the satisfaction it used to get from greed in a different behavior, like music, or exercise.

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[-] Nomad@infosec.pub 37 points 1 month ago

Here in Germany farmers are payed for a strip of each field to be planted with wild flowers instead. They don't lose money at all and nature keeps a bit of land. Simple and cheap.

[-] minorkeys@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

So they solved a problem we create ourselves, by destroying nature, by making a product that now increases the cost of food and makes farmers even more dependent on corporate chemical companies to grow it.

[-] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The GOOD news is that yeast doesn't really respect property lines. Or quarantines. Or much of anything. That shit will spread organically easily enough. It will be a while, but now that the strain exists (and is being constantly refreshed with the corpro product) it should help all bees everywhere. Maybe bees will start farming it like ants do. Would be fun

[-] minorkeys@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

So does Monsanto with their GMO crops and they successfully sue farmers for having it, whose farms were invaded by it. I don't see it as good news when a company can't control their IP. They'll criminalize possession and use that to drive weak competitors out all together. These people are psychopaths.

[-] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 1 month ago

That's a lot easier to do with plants than single celled organisms.

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[-] Tharkys@lemmy.wtf 6 points 1 month ago

Yep, you can't charge money in perpetuity if you solve the actual problem. Not only that, but bees will eventually become reliant on the product. This is how the US Healthcare system works as well.

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[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago

Monsanto and Archer Daniels Midland will be demanding a percentage of the farmer's crop because they saved the bees that pollinated it.

[-] emmy67@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

It's exactly the way they said drug dealers would work

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[-] FUCKING_CUNO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 month ago

This is both great and terrible. Great because "yay bees", terrible because now they have a synthetic stand in for a natural process which will almost certainly be misused

Instead of just PLANTING SOME FUCKING FLOWERS

[-] TheKaul@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago

In a couple years we'll be saying honey "doesn't taste like it used to"

[-] logi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Where I live, honey is labeled with the types of flowers that the bees were feeding on. I doubt that "yeast honey" is going to replace the "chestnut honey" any time soon.

[-] SculptusPoe@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well, domestic bees are invasive. I wonder if they are going to try to feed this to wild bees... Probably not. Still, I want domestic bees to flourish, because I like honey, so I'm not that mad.

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[-] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

But what flowers do we let growth that will make money ?

Its simple economics. No matter how beneficial it is to the environment, people, or the economy, its bad for the economy to do anything without a direct profit motive

(god I hope the sarcasm was thick enough)

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Get rid of the large swaths of green fucking grass, which completely useless when one cuts it down. Let the Dandy Lions grow like we do in Europe and plant more native flowers too.

[-] phx@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Clover. Clover is great:

  • Lush and green
  • Holds down soil we
  • Soft to walk on
  • Needs less water than grass
  • Needs less mowing
  • Bees love it
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[-] Itwasntme223@discuss.online 8 points 1 month ago

Spouse and I work every year to add native plants and flowers back around our host to give the bees a place to go. Anything to save these amazing, little polinaters.

[-] Lutra@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

"Scientists synthesize nutrients Bees no longer get because humans destroyed all the flowers, and we think this is a net good."

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[-] sartalon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Do you want fat bees? Because this is how you get fat bees.

Ok~maybe I want fat bees.~

[-] braxy29@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago
[-] ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Humans: oh sure, let's not change our insane agricultural system that is the major killer of biodiversity but instead create yet another technonfix by now in 2026™ fiddeling with the genes of another species.

When will we finally learn: there are no technological solutions to 'manage' the living. The living is not 'manageable'./We've tried this approach pretty much since 100 years and every one 'solution' created two new problems. Look where we are guys, our planet is FUCKED. 50 years ago it was DDT, now it's Crispr-CAS9...

1000 likes for this celebration of technical human dominance, we're doing quite right, do we? Not our 'dysfunctional' ecosystem is the problem, but our approach to it that is based on control and (technoligical) dominance, instead of humility and respect.

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[-] motruck@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago

And so the house of cards grows by another level. We'll just modify this to add this missing thing. Never mind why it is missing. 10 years later we are 9 layers deep on plugging holes we've created that technological advancements got us out if until they don't and whoosh the cards come crashing down. The hardiness of nature replaced by the frivolity of man.

[-] flamingleg@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Something like this already happened when we traded the long-term health and fertility of the topsoil for the immediate high yield output of artificially fertilized crops.

By outsourcing the repleneshment of fertility to the relatively fragile and unreliable supply chains and social organisations of man, we assumed management over a delicate balance which previously belonged to nature.

I'm not arguing against industrial agriculture and its commodification of fertiliser by the way. If carefully managed it's possible to imagine an endpoint of equilibrium where global supply chains increase total system fertility by selectively resting soil and relying more on imports to then switch once local fertility peaks and so on. Really just sane and unmolested market forces should in theory discover such a negotiated endpoint.

Fertility alone is not descriptive enough to capture, say, the importance of biological diversity or the load bearing capacity of local environments to support ecosystems, while also producing exportable outputs suitable for maintaining population growth in humanity.

Perennial crops are also ridiculously underused in overall food supply chains. They are more difficult to monetize in existing commodity forms because their overall system value is not captured numerically.

I don't have an overall solution, but any solution will require at its core a way to assign value to the work which nature already does to replenish its own local fertility and to price that effect very cautiously in such a way that it becomes cheaper for intensive producers to rest unfertile soil until it becomes fertile than it is to compensate for unproductive soil by importing chemical fertiliser from somewhere else

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[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Several bee factions see this as a vaccine and are opting out. /s

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[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 2 points 1 month ago

Wonder if I would grow some extra inches, if I made bread out of this yeast?

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