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Especially in my early days venturing into Python (with which I am still only casually acquainted), I'd google a problem and end up on an SO question outlining my exact problem, only see "closed as duplicate" or a bunch of snarky comments about how the questioner didn't RTFM or whatever.

Why do they hate people asking questions on this site specifically about asking questions? Part of being a noob is not just about not knowing the bare facts of a thing, but not knowing where to look for answers or even what to ask.

While I'm on this soapbox, I hate it when people say "just google it." because most of the time I see that phrase it's because that forum post is the first google result.

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[-] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If I was a mod here I'd lock this post with "duplicate" as a parody.

SO was good 10-15 years ago, but it has gotten bogged down in a combination of user elitism, mod incentives to do anything, and outdated answers remaining canonical.

  • User elitism: You see this anywhere else too. Older users hold power on the site, and this tends to result in walling out those with actual refreshing ideas.

  • Mod incentives: The system rewards mod actions, even if those actions aren't the correct one. For example, closing a question as duplicate, even if it's not, rewards the closer.

  • Due to the above, the "correct" answer to a question never gets updated, and it doesn't take later versions into account. As such the site becomes a collection of outdated answers to questions that may or may not still be relevant.

Source: Formerly prolific user of multiple stackexchange sites

[-] MerryJaneDoe@feddit.online 1 points 1 month ago

If it's gotten worse in the last 15 years - yikes.

I used it a lot my first few years in IT, and it was horrible back then. I mean, as far as the issues described by OP.

[-] Deflaktor@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago

My personal theory:

The internet has changed quite a lot in the last 20 years. At the beginning it was almost only nerds on the internet who were running their communities on their free time. Back then there were no algorithms which decided what you see. Everything was sorted by date and recent posts and as such every user saw the same content. So a netiquette developed around that time: Don't post duplicate stuff. Don't double post, edit your post. Read the site rules. Search for information first. No low effort threads. Don't necro a thread without substantial new information. And so on.

That was basic internet netiquette and at least my feeling is that it was universally understood and followed quite strictly. On all the forums, not just a specific one.

I also violated some of these netiquette rules and got reprimanded for it - not by mods, but even by other users. The point is, those were universal internet rules and the whole community was enforcing it.

Then social media happened and changed the way the internet worked. Algorithms were now deciding what you can see. There was no need to actively mod content. On social media the netiquette that ruled the internet had no purpose. And as such people never really encountered that.

Now Stack Overflow is one of the last of its kind where that ancient netiquette still plays a major role. An internet forum which tries to categorize and keep a "clean" library of knowledge. Against a flood of new users who do not know the netiquette. In such an environment mods are the only ones left to remind user of the netiquette. Slowly but surely they lose patience and start power tripping.

It's a case of Eternal September

[-] vrozon@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

Used to spend a lot of time reading meta.stackoverflow (looked an awful lot like work at a quick glance). The sentiment from the question answerer side is something like: "I've answered this exact question 100s of times, why won't anyone search". Then this expands into enough irritation that you get a closing frenzy and similar sounding questions get caught in the cross hairs. And then everyone's mad. (plus a sprinkle of people who are just assholes on top of that)

Never understood the issue with "closed as duplicate", it always links to the original question so you get your answer there. And for most things even the duplicate has a solid accepted answer too. Maybe I visit a different part of the site through my questions?

[-] early_riser@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

In my experience the question is either not actually a duplicate or the answer is no longer valid.

What turned me off of SO entirely is when you actually do google it and the results are all SO posts with "closed as duplicate" and no actual answers :(

The snake fully ate itself.

[-] Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

if it was actually a duplicate, that would be perfect but it seems the majority of the time, its just a question similar and in some cases I've even seen them link a question that if you knew anything about it, wouldn't have been even remotely related.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

The folks who say “just google it” are often unaware of how their own experience allows them to determine good instructions from bad.

For instance, if I told you to flummox the bumdarten by fluxing the foogartner, how would you begin learning what any of those words mean? How will you know if the bumdarten docs you’ve found are even the current version?

But at some point we have all encountered someone who simply asks for help instead of figuring out how to do it. And those people are usually in management.

Anyone who unironically says just google it, and doesn't google it themselves and provides a link to a concise answer should be shot on sight.

Same for the RTFM crowd. So many manuals are filled with so much fluff that just gets in the way of actually being useful.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah. If you’re gonna be all high and mighty at least prove you’ve read it by citing chapter and verse to help the noob.

[-] ExtremeUnicorn@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Why do they hate people asking questions on this site specifically about asking questions?

This is literally what I thought multiple times now after posting questions there.

I have to say that each of the stack-network sites feels a little different. I think it heavily depends on the mods themselves and how they manage it.

For example, I found the AskUbuntu site very accepting, even to broader questions on Linux and hypothetical issues surrounding it.

The Electronics Stackexchange I’ve had mixed experiences. Some were very helpful, but others seemingly demanded that I measure every single component with an oscillator and give them the readings, even listing manufacturer specs wasn’t enough, question closed as “not enough info”.

That’s when I got frustrated, because, why not just leave it open, maybe someone would still be willing to chime in?

This feels weird to me, because I will not use this site as a scientific researcher with a nerwork of equally educated colleagues, but as a hobbyist, I simply don’t have all the means/knowledge some people expect, so who is the expected userbase?

[-] early_riser@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I've done some research after posting the OP, by which I mean watching a few YT videos of people who have looked into the matter. It seems the founder was insistent that the site not become another Yahoo answers, so the process of asking a question was made to be high friction in order to improve the signal to noise ratio for people looking up answers later, such as with google.

While they succeeded in not becoming another Yahoo Answers, they've instead become so impenetrable as to be useless. It got to the point I'd avoid clicking on SO when it came up in search results because I figured the question wouldn't be answered anyway, so they ended up not making the experience better for future googlers after all.

[-] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 0 points 1 month ago

I have good experience with all the stack/exchange etc. sites. I once tried to ask a question there, and that was horrible, but for finding solutions it's good. Of course one actually has to click on links provided, or scroll down to further answers, or even read comments.

It's a horrible meritocracy for people participating, but for people looking for answers it's definitely a net positive.

[-] Paragone@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

When they attack you and delete your question or lock it because they don't want "your kind" polluting their forum, that isn't meritocracy: that is national-narcissism.

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[-] Miaou@jlai.lu 1 points 1 month ago

You need to touch some grass

[-] Paragone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Feel free to downvote anything you see I've said, as a means of improving the world.

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[-] etchinghillside@reddthat.com 0 points 1 month ago

Then you’re going to hate “just LLM it”.

[-] Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

I saw that in the wild a week or two back. Friend was learning a new job, all her trainer was able to say was "just ask AI" and send her to copilot.

I felt so bad for her.

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

At some point people forget this didn't feel easy or intuitive to them either. Then "simple" questions and complaints come off as more annoying or funny.

Personal_reporter_58 was furious at his predicament. He was happy at first the tool they needed wasn't just a feature in some expensive suite program, but found as standalone free tool in github. This excitement went away as they tried to use github tho. "How do you install from github" they cried, "there is no download button and when I maybe downloaded the file there is no .exe." Indeed it was a commandline python program for docker so wanting a double-clickable exe was simply futile. Personal_reporter_58 continued complaining, convinced that github is supposed to be some kind of playstore, "this is the wierdest file sharing site I have ever seen." Finally they gave up, convincee that it's all just "very over complicated." The end.

(For context they are replying to this link https://sherlockproject.xyz/installation)

[-] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

While this reply might have happened in earnest at some point, it has since gained copypasta meme status. The fact that you found it on new reddit would make such satirical usage most likely.

[-] GiveOver@feddit.uk 0 points 1 month ago
[-] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's copypasta. This one's 2 years older:

https://github.com/twitter/the-algorithm/issues/1999

Might or might not be patient zero.

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Is that fucking twitter???

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