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[-] dhork@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I keep reminding people that the 25th Amendment is not the solution here, because it requires a higher bar to enact than simply impeaching the guy. You need to have the VP and half the cabinet on board to trigger it, but then the President gets his office back by simply telling Congress "Nah, I'm good". But then if the VP and cabinet still insist, it would take a 2/3 vote of both houses to trigger.

Impeachment requires no Cabinet officers, and only a majority of the House (but still 2/3 of the Senate to convict).

It would be fitting, though, if for all the dumb, impeachable shit he's done, the thing that finally did it was swearing in a tweet on Easter....

[-] Soulphite@reddthat.com 2 points 2 months ago

That would be something. Raping a whole bunch of kids, and women and countries and businesses is fine... but they draw the line at swearing on Easter...

Christians are fucking strange.

[-] GuyFawkesV@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

You mean “Christians”.

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It doesn't seem like there's an especially substantial call for the 25th Amendment, buuuuuut the 25th isn't strictly a downgrade to impeachment:

  • First, yes, impeachment is only 50% House, 66.7% Senate. Boom, out, donezo. Taking the numbers alone without any other context, that's easier than VP, majority of department heads, 66.7% Senate, 66.7% House (which is even more far-right than the Senate).
  • However, when invoking the 25th, the VP and a majority of department heads are the ones who initiate the proceedings, and there's an active, visible struggle for power within the Executive Branch.
  • If the cabinet were to effectively throw a coup (because let's be honest: none of the ghouls in Trump's cabinet give a flying fuck about his ability to execute the law and would not be in it for the betterment of the US), then it gives a major swing in credibility compared to just a House impeachment. This is especially true because Section 4 has never been invoked.
  • I would argue for this reason that, while removal of Trump by Congress via impeachment is functionally impossible, public opinion would swing wildly if Trump's cabinet started 25th Amendment proceedings, and it also puts the initial onus on Trump to establish that he's capable rather than the onus on Congress to establish that he's not (or rather, that he committed "high crimes and misdemeanors").
  • Thus, you can maybe swing for the fences with the 25th if you can convince enough of Trump's cabinet that Trump is a sinking ship (and thus Vance becomes POTUS, debatably in his own self-interest). Impeachment isn't overcoming the numbers game, but the 25th could (just potentially) change the numbers.
  • It'd be divide-and-conquer: the Democrats all want Trump out of office ASAP (obviously, because they're sane), while the Republicans in the House and Senate would be reckoning with siding with Trump or siding with his cabinet (and whoever their supporters are) – all while the general public bleeds remaining faith in Trump as even his cabinet are challenging his fitness, and while the question at hand is a lower bar than "high crimes and misdemeanors". In an impeachment trial, it would just be "Democrats or Republicans" to the Republicans.

TL;DR: The argument for the 25th is that, if you can get the ball rolling, it might actually be possible compared to impeachment proceedings which currently, inarguably, are not.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago

Bingo.

Vance is going to want to be seen as leading the coup, not being handed the job. But it's not happening for another 10 months. First, he needs a new Congress, one who is already itching for impeachment. And if he's waiting for Congress, he's going to wait another three weeks: so long as he only takes half of Trump's term, he remains eligible for two full terms himself.

Vance will exercise Section 4 of the 25th after January 20th, 2027.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

~~Could~~ constitute war crimes

Blowing up a school and murdering 168 schoolchildren is absolutely a war crime. Journalists need to grow a spine and stop trying to spread uncertainty by soft-pedaling this shit.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Not sure who still needs to hear this, but the Republican party are traitors to the United States of America.

They've abdicated their Congressional duties and signaled that they are fine watching this country crash and burn to give a single man the power of a king.

They aren't going to remove him.

Want him removed? Give Dems the House and Senate.

[-] GuyFawkesV@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I’ve written all Dem candidates for Statewide and Federal office in my State, asking what they’ll do to punish these folks and strip them of their ill gotten gains. I made clear no response = no vote, primary or general.

ONE candidate responded.

I have no faith Dems will do shit.

[-] bagsy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

That's where I am. I'd rather see tho whole thing burn to the ground that vote for another "time of healing" bullshit democrat. I want fire and fucking brimstone. Someone, a bunch of somones better serve some damn jail time or i'm never voting again.

[-] bagsy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

8 million people showed up for no kings. You are telling me we couldn't get a chunk of them to follow a senator around to remind them who they work for?

[-] Hayduke@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

What to know about the 25th amendment? It is not going to happen for Trump. That’s all there is to know.

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf -1 points 2 months ago

How can you possibly know that?

You can't, so why pretend that you do?

[-] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Well if you haven’t noticed, literally nothing has happened to this 34+ felon child rapist yet, so why would this? It’ll not work for the same reason nothing else has: he owns the deciders AND the enforcers.

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf -1 points 2 months ago

By your logic, if x has never happened, x will never happen.

See how that doesn't make any sense?

[-] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Except for the reason that they explained. If the people that would make this happen are comprised, how do you think it could happen?

[-] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago

Actually it just might. Republicans need to drive down the blue vote before the midterms. Voter suppression measures aren’t enough. Trump keeps threatening to die but hasn’t. If they remove him before the midterms, it could remove the motivation for dems to show up.

They may just feed Trump to his own leopards.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 points 2 months ago

It's more likely that the military will assassinate him than that Republican politicians will betray him.

[-] CircaV@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

That will never happen. He purged the military. They follow him blindly and willingly. The army is FULL of orange shitgibbon cultists.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Or a dark cabal poison him, etc.

Then they can leverage him as a martyr instead of fracturing the party.

They won't do it unless shit gets way way worse first.

[-] GuyFawkesV@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Oh this isn’t the bottom?

[-] HairyOldCoot@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago

There is always more down

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago
  1. It won't be used.
[-] CircaV@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

The sycophants in Congress WON’T stop this because they agree with him and with everything he’s doing. Congress won’t stop his insanity.

Only things similar to what went down in France circa 1793 will stop him. That’s gotta come from the people. Not from toadies, yes men, and cultists.

[-] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

This article should be titled "Five people have recently tweeted about the 25th Amendment"

One of them is Anthony Scaramucci. Why the hell do people think we need to hear anything from him?

[-] areakode@riskeratspizza.com 1 points 2 months ago

Mark my words, the 25th amendment won't even be considered until January 20, 2027. After that point, the remainder of the term is a freebie for Vance because he's still eligible for 2 full terms.

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