i don't get the cope in this thread. it's something the us does do with some regularity, and i thought you guys disliked trump's fascism anyway.
why the desperation to vilify iran in a war you claim to not even want to fight?
Because this is one of those other cases where BOTH sides are bad. I KNOW! Who could have known that is possible, it's unheard of!
In World War 2, the allies consisted of the following countries, among others:
Given this, would you say that BOTH sides were bad? Hopefully not. You might say that there are degrees of badness, and in some cases, as for instance in a major war, you have to choose between degrees of badness, and that the least bad side is the de-facto good side. Okay, now you're up to speed, welcome to the world.
Or maybe you don’t choose the sides that are running the war (eg USA vs. Iran), but instead choose the side that is fighting it (the working class) against the side that instigated it (the global billionaires who benefit from imperialism and capitalism).
Because this is one of those other cases where BOTH sides are bad.
The thing with moral relativism is that it puts the two subjects on the same level. But are they?
One side represses legitimate but dangerous riots with violence, the other kills schoolgirls at their desks during class hours.
by the us government's open admission, apparently not.
and they are being fine anti imperialists lately. why vilify them at precisely this moment?
bOtH sIdEs!
In all the videos I saw of the Iranian regime killing protesters, the protesters were all unarmed.
This smells like progranda to me.
Yeah, this wasn't some civil war scenario. Iran was simply mass-murdering the people.
Both can be true:
The US tried to arm protesters via the Kurds to provoke a civil war paving the way for destabilization of Iran in the long run and possible intervention (with the Kurds not being willing to pass on the weapons as they got betrayed by Trump not that long ago).
And at the same time the peaceful protesters in Iran were murdered by the theocracy fearing for its power... possibly enhanced should the regime have gained knowledge of the planned US weapon deliveries.
Sure, but that's not what the article seems to be claiming and that's what I'm calling out here.
If it's propaganda, it's the dumbest least effective kind, since Trump would only be making the people he's at war at look better.
Which, saying it sounds like something he would do.
I'm not sure how it qualifies as propaganda though because it doesn't accomplish anything propaganda would, considering the source
A tactic that can sometimes be used is to use a smoke screen. To muddy the waters and flood the zone with disinformation, making people unsure about the truth.
I'm no propaganda expert but I think they might just be trying to make it seem like the US isn't as stupid as everyone can plainly see, while also trying to justify a stronger barage of attacks.
I'm not sure if you noticed, but the number of civilians Trump claimed on Easter that the Iranian regime has killed more than doubled without a source, from 30,000 to hundreds of thousands. And while any number of unarmed protesters being gunned down in the street is bad (see ICE), Increasing the number seems to be a useful justification for a preventive strike against a school.
I don't think Trump is smart enough for that
Here's how these things happen: there is dissatisfaction with the government-- in this case, yes general unhappiness with the theocracy, but acutely with severe economic strain brought about by draconian sanctions. This situation, engineered in part by external forces, is then amplified and aggravated by those same external forces. This doesn't mean that the majority of those on the streets were agents of the US/Israel, but there were absolutely those agents there. Israel explicitly admitted as much at the time. That situation was absolutely the beginning stage of the war.
Meanwhile the Iranian Kurds states never receiving any such arms nor are they taking part in the US war
The Kurds should trust the US again. How does the saying go?
Trust them eight times and get betrayed every single time, trust them again and get betrayed just for old times sake - Unknown western diplomat
"Being an enemy of America is dangerous, but being its friend is fatal."
Wonder how many of those guns are going to end up killing American soldiers.
As is tradition
A guilty comprador seldom admits guilt.
There is no protester fighting for justice alive or dead that Trump would help. He wants everyone not with him dead...
Iranian civilians.
Americans that refuse his rule.
Everyone. Everyone what opposes his little pp bullshit.
He wants all of us dead. Not calm, quiet, or silent. He wants us dead.
Trump "confirms" so many things, but few of them are true. None of Iranian Kurdish parties have confirmed receiving arms.
The absolutely only instance I have seen of protesters in Iran being armed with firearms (and I've watched a lot of footage), was a day-time protest in the Kurdish-majority mountainous borderland. Since there was a risk of authorities spilling blood, 4 old guys (appearance well over 50 years of age) in traditional clothing were present at a protest in an open area, carrying hunting rifles which looked older than the guys. They could have, theoretically, bought time for others to escape by offering some counter-fire for a minute or two. But on that protest, authorities did not attack. Probably because the whole town was Kurdish and cops decided to stay home.
Also I apologize for re-posting, but:
Kurdish Iranian opposition groups deny claims of receiving weapons from US
Mohammed Nazif Qaderi, a senior official from the opposition Kurdistan Democratic Party of Iran (KDPI), told Rudaw that “those statements made are baseless and we haven't received any weapons.
/.../
Kako Aliyar, a member of the leadership committee of the Kurdish Iranian opposition party Komala, told Rudaw that "as our own party, no weapons have come to us and we haven't received anything, we're not even aware of the matter.
/.../
Amjad Hussein Panahi, head of communications for Komala of the Toilers of Kurdistan, also told Rudaw, “We assure you we haven't received a single bullet or weapon from any country or place, and we're not aware of the existence of such a thing; what we have is our own.”
/.../
Hamno Naqshbandi, a member of the general command of the Kurdistan National Army affiliated with the Kurdistan Freedom Party (PAK), said that “Donald Trump's message is unclear to us. What is there is that we as our army have in no way received weapons from the US or any other country, not even a single bullet."
Treating Trump as a source of any kind of truth is extremely shaky.
Wait, is tramp credible now if it validates your claims?
He's a clown that's what makes it probable he said the quiet part out loud which no other POTUS was dumb enough to admit in the open.
You got a point though, with all that bullshit coming from him we can't decide what might be true between all those lies and shouldn't chose based on our world view.
Akshually, Iran is one of the countries that had almost as much US meddling as Latin America since the 50s.
Good? I'm confused, does anyone other than the most tankie of tankies dislike the Kurds?
It's not even about liking them or not. I would like them to have autonomy, but they'd have to be kind of stupid to fall for US "friendship" again. They have been used as pawns when convenient, and then abandoned later.
No, not great. Destabilizing a region is not good for the folks who live there.
I bet Trump is gonna "confirm" CCP Claims that he's "personally funding" "Taiwan Independence" so that CCP has an excuse to invade, but then he's also not gonna help Taiwan...
Literally just playing both sides lol..
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