See I'd have just made an anti-Beep rule and called it a day, good on you for really diving into the role o7

👶 Keep it at PG/PEGI 7

Can we add an 'unless tagged NSFW' addendum to this? There's plenty of quality NSFW things that get posted here (e.g. Oglaf comics) and I for one would be sad to see them go (or to have to create a new community for those things).

Edit: To add to this, looking back at post history, it looks like we get about 1 NSFW post per week here, give or take. Have those really been problematic enough to warrant a ban (when appropriately tagged?)

Thank you!

Tough on Beeps, tough on the causes of Beeps!

Thank you for taking on the responsibility, the little background info does inspire confidence. Very cool.

I kind of preferred the rules as they were. This is kind of a wall of text, hard to parse and will probably mostly go unread.

I think keeping the old and just adding the anti bot rule and attribution rule is fine. Just saying attribution must be kept on the image frame if possible is enough. I think bumping up the 2 limit per day max is alright but 5 might be a lot. Quality over quantity and all that.

I'm really against any kind of heavy handedness for raunchy comics, especially if it's about the joke and not the image itself. Having people tag the NSFW stuff (ie actual nudity, sexual content, dildos, etc) is fine imo.

For violence, I mean, we are all adults here and it's cartoon violence in any case. It just feels a bit puritanical to be hard on this kind of stuff. It doesn't really feel like a problem.

Sorry if this is overly critical. Thanks for the help!

Finally, the beepening is over.

Good luck moderating this place, hope my provocative content doesn't create too many moderation headaches, I've stirred up the userbase quite a few times in the past :)

As a former mod of some big communities, make sure to always remember it's a volunteer task and not a job. You don't owe anyone explanations, you're allowed to be wrong, you can take breaks, even if you're doing your best some people will dislike you no matter what. Keep it cool or it might affect your mental health. Remember this comment if you ever feel burnt out!

+1 for attribution

-1 for PG. We've been unmoderated for probably over a year now, and it hasn't devolved into anything. Starting to enforce a PG filter now is an active change. Not a passive continuation.

Very glad to see this. Obviously this whole thing is happening because of that one troll who was removing attributions from comics. So my question for you is: can you go ahead and remove everything he ever posted here?

Because as long as the unattributed versions are sitting out there, they're liable to be reposted elsewhere, making it harder to find the real versions. It should be stopped at the source as soon as possible.

Other than that, I see that everyone else is already on you about the PG thing.

My origin story on Lemmy is that the first thing I ever posted here was an original comic that I hadn't put anywhere else. It was a Lemmy exclusive, which obviously is not a thing people really do. It got removed because it had the word "balls" in it.

So I posted it to reddit. It hit the front page immediately, and it's been reposted tens of thousands of times across the internet since then. Not to toot my own horn or anything, but I think that means it was some premium content, which seems like something the largest webcomic community on Lemmy would want.

Anyway, I'm actually fine with not allowing full-blown nsfw content here, but "balls" should be allowed.

In response to those who have mentioned the PG/PEGI 7 rule, how does this work for a compromise?

🏘️ Community Standards

Posts should be safe and enjoyable by the majority of community members, both here on lemmy.world and other instances. Any comic that would qualify as raunchy, lewd, or otherwise draw unwanted attention by nosy coworkers, spouses, or family members should be tagged as NSFW.

Graphic content of any kind will not be tolerated. This includes gore, pornography, or violence.

Moderators have final say on what and what does not qualify as safe and enjoyable. Use common sense, and if need be, err on the side of caution.

Proposal of a new rule: Every post must have the author's name and name of the series (if any) in the title in a given format.

Purpose: for users who want certain contents filtered out.

Example: [da Vinci][Jesus's Delicious Meals] The Last Supper

Heya, lately there's been some people posting strips of TERF/Nazi creators. Could you please add a rule that bans posts of strips from those creators? Even if the content in a specific strip is not harmful, it stresses me out seeing them posted if I know the author of said Comic-Strip wants to see me dead. I'm unsure about the wording but maybe "No posts from authors with a history of harmful content"?

This seems great!

I am concerned for the family friendly rule😅 Will nsfw comics be banned? will jokes that are sexual in nature be banned? There is this one comic that often just has casual nudity f.ex - would that be banned?

Hi Dohpaz42! Welcome and thank you for doing a bit of a pulse check and getting some input from the community.

I’m one of the many lurkers that typically just browses and rarely comments or posts but I wanted to post a little feedback on your proposed updated rules:

I would like to ask that you consider including something about the comics themselves being cropped/modified before posting.

I know there will be times where a person mistakenly uploads a modified one randomly found on the net, but recently there have been a ton of posts (comments as well) where the one user in particular, decided that cropping the images are justified and will link to places like Reddit or the main website for their comic (e.g. xkcd.com) without the direct link/attribution. Followed by taunting others who point it out in other threads. It is causing unnecessary drama in the community obviously.

Thank you

Welcome!

For the rules, could you use different formatting? A lot of users use mobile apps, and some of them don't format markdown the way Lemmy does. The spoiler tag in particular doesn't get rendered in a lot of them.

For example, this is what I see in Boost:

Perhaps you can do something like

## Rules

1: 😇 Be Nice!

- Treat others with respect and dignity. Friendly banter is okay, as long as it is mutual; keyword: **friendly**

2: 👶 Keep it at PG

Which will format like this

Rules

1: 😇 Be Nice!

• Treat others with respect and dignity. Friendly banter is okay, as long as it is mutual; keyword: friendly

2: 👶 Keep it at PG

You could also shorten some of them to make it more likely that people will read them. For example, moving this to the bottom of the rules section, or taking it out entirely:

Repeat offenders will have their posts removed, be temporarily banned from posting, or if all else fails, be permanantly banned from posting.

I also liked the old sidebar's guidance on "complete stories" because it sums up what this community is intended for and differentiates it from "comics" and "memes". I don't know if it needs to be stated explicitly, but you could potentially include it right at the top with the description line.

I'm also happy to help out if the moderation load gets too much to handle. Feel free to add my LW account if at any point the team could use more hands: https://lemmy.world/u/otter

I'm really liking the revised rules as of this comment. Thank you for taking this on!

I haven't seen this mentioned (sorry if it was and I missed it), but I want to question rule 2a:

Comics should be a full story, from start to finish, in one post.

Even in the newspaper days, it was common for comic strips to have ongoing plots, with each day's strip presenting the next part in the story (with the plot usually starting on Monday and being resolved by week's end, although some were ongoing serials, iirc Dick Tracy was like this). So the way this rule reads, it sounds like you would need to publish all strips from the same storyline together.

I think the rule is intended to prevent someone from breaking up comics that were initially presented together and intended to be read in one chunk, or otherwise truncating a comic (e.g. the meme version of "this is fine"). If that's the case, it's a reasonable expectation, but the current wording is unclear. It's hard to recommend alternative text since so many exceptions exist (what if the panels were originally posted one at a time? what about bonus panels? What if the bonus panel was only published to patreons? What if the strip was reformatted from a graphic novel for mobile-friendly re-publication? etc etc.) But maybe something like this would work: comics should be posted in their original format (e.g. multi-panel strips should not be split up). But this is already covered somewhat by rule 4a: "Comics should [...] be unmodified." So maybe rule 2a is unneeded and only causes unnecessary confusion?

Really not digging the pg-13 stuff. Lemmy has an older demographic than most social media. And it's certainly not up to us to censor in case of someone's spouse (???).

I'm fine with disallowing full nudity but NSFW is meant for stuff that can be seen at a glance, not for a coworker or kid breaking into our phones and actually reading the content.

Yes it was like that in the rules before but it was not enforced and it doesn't seem like something the community thinks needs rectifying.

Tagging anything mildly spicy isn't a compromise! I do not surf here with the NSFW on, most people don't either. I'm not on Lemmy to look at porn but that doesn't mean I want it clear of anything related to sex. This isn't a church.

Sorry if I'm being a dick, but reading the comments, it seems like most people have a problem with it and you haven't properly addressed it.

"Raunchy" is fine, anything with explicit sex or nudity behind a tag. No censorship for the jokes actual content (text) whatsoever. It's that simple.

Thanks in any case, I'm just happy that loser finally got banned.

Edit: Maybe I'm over reacting. It depends on how intense you are about the whole thing. Browsing the most upvoted this month, these's quite a few comics that could potentially fall under the umbrella. I mostly want to avoid missing out on content just because of mild sexual themes.

Man, jerkface, I really appreciate you taking on this responsibility, but I'm really wary of a hard pivot to "no adult content"/PEGI 7. I'd even be slightly skeptical toward PEGI 12, but PEGI 7 is pretty restrictive and leaves out really good content that's non-offensive to social media platforms like Lemmy where ~~users are expected (not formally in LW's ToS, but nevertheless expected) to be at least 13.~~ (edit: I'm a dummy; I forgot LW's ToS were 18+. The 13+ assumption was sort of threadiverse-wide, but I totally whiffed the LW-specific part.)

I wouldn't gripe too much over PEGI 12 and allowing for the NSFW tag for exceptions (because that covers 13+), but PEGI 7 is saying "let's keep it appropriate for users who shouldn't even be browsing Lemmy unsupervised".

Anyway, your diligent moderation is better than beepsville, and I still really appreciate the hard work I know you're willing to put in.