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Proud moment for me:

I made it through the second of 8 absolutely delightful, engaging, and extremely PLEASURABLE novels in a series about a topic I love.

But the first book ended POORLY... because they knew that fans like me would be the second. It’s like it LITERALLY had zero ending. Meaning there was this absurd violation of novelistic structure.

And the second cemented my creeping suspicion that this all... all all all... was trifling crap. It’s like porn for people who like fast talking smart alecks, snide, sarcastic, and battle after battle after battle.

One amazingly engaging battle after another. So enjoyable. Exactly what I love.

Except that there's zero heart, soul, message... oh... it takes a head nod in the direction of what is noble and how should people behave...

But at the end of the day...

Lovely useless battles of stupid.

So... I did not buy the third.

I'm done.

Victory.

I’m not going to mention the name of the series because I don’t want to get into it with fans who are fine reading the same book 8 times: Hero and partner in exotic setting fight stuff until they live or die.

That’s the book.

Sirens of Titan made me weep for three hours. This is what I expect a novel to do. Moby Dick changed the way I examine culture and society. Emma taught me to be expect the unexpected. Valuable books do valuable work. Entertaining books entertain. I get it. I consider the elevation of my human experience more valuable than being entertained for five hours. Thoughts?

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[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

I don't know, it sounds like your biggest issue is that the books are written to be a series and not self contained. To me, that's a narrative choice and isn't always bad. I hate it when the author doesn't finish and leaves he hanging forever, but I can appreciate a long story that takes multiple books to tell.

I'm currently rereading the Amber Chronicles, by Roger Zelazny, and it's like that. Arguably, it's two stories of five books each, although there's a thread from the first five that continues in the second. It's a wonderful series, especially the first five.

On the other hand, sometimes it feels like the author of a long series doesn't know where he's going, but is just trying to milk the franchise, and that's more problematic.

[-] dnick@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

Deathstalker. OMG. This can't be the series you're talking about, but my god were those books a series of neverending escalations with the exact same resolution every single time. If you want to know how many times a hero can get into an impossible situation and get out of it by simply overcoming the impossible situation be becoming impossibly stronger, which is something apparently any other character is also potentially capable of if they are given the right drugs, that is the series for you.

Unfortunately, unlike you, i was determined to ride it out through spite instead of self respect.

[-] NannerBanner@literature.cafe 2 points 2 weeks ago

a series of neverending escalations with the exact same resolution every single time. If you want to know how many times a hero can get into an impossible situation and get out of it by simply overcoming the impossible situation be becoming impossibly stronger

Lol, this is just about every teenager fiction ever. I used to laugh when my family watched dragonball z, because it just seemed like the way two kids 'play/fight' when they're in kindergarten: "I win because I'm super saiyan!" "No, I win because I'm super sayain x2!!!!!" Just try harder (scream louder) and you win.

[-] MoltenFoundry@fedinsfw.app 2 points 2 weeks ago

I think this makes sense. If the first book didn't actually have an ending and the second book left you feeling like it's just a series of battles and banter, good job recognizing that that's not what you want.

This has all the ingredients you enjoy but you don't like the way those pieces are assembled. Nod and move on.

[-] wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I even skeedaddled after Star Wars VII. It just wasn’t happening.

[-] orb360@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

You not liking the series isn't an insult to the fandom. I don't think people who dislike and rant about pistachio ice cream to be insulting to me.

And if you want to go off about pistachio ice cream, go off! I'll be here eating it anyway.

[-] wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Exactly.

It’s Rum Raisin I absolutely cannot stand.

[-] Vupware@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

I will always proselytize with the goal of getting people to read those substantive books. You can read for fun, but you’re missing out on a lot of reading’s value if you just read the same thing over and over again and never challenge yourself.

Me personally, once I get that commercial taste in my mouth while I’m reading a book, it’s very hard for me to think about it objectively. I become consumed with resentment, irrationally.

[-] wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I came late to the party of Anna Kerinina but I am so glad I finally applied myself and got to witness an actual masterpiece.

[-] edg@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

This is me with the Stormlight Archive. I vociferously defended the first book, but after finishing the second one I couldn't face subjecting myself to a decade plus of thousands of pages of mediocre fantasy.

[-] NannerBanner@literature.cafe 3 points 2 weeks ago

I think if I could just read the little 'asides' about the world, I'd be happy. He built an incredible setting, but after the fourth book I was just sort of grumpy. The majority of the characters just completely stopped being interesting. Give me that one guy making measurements of the fire sprites, or the colossal shrimp that one city uses for its executions.

[-] wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Exactly! Thank you!

[-] ZDL@lazysoci.al 0 points 1 week ago

Without the name of the series, I can only provide some very basic thoughts.

The first of these will likely upset you, however. There is, barring actively harming someone, no such thing as BadWrongFun™. Saying that you didn't like it because you expect more depth is fine. (I'd even agree.) But there was a very strong streak of disdain for those who do not share your tastes in your post. This, IMO, is not fine.

The second of these is that I actually thank authors who make huge series. It tells me that they aren't serious people and that I won't enjoy their works. A novel is a very long format for writing. If you can't get a good, complete, story that actually ends in a single novel, you're probably not an author I want to read anyway, so thanks for the warning.

[-] wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I think our attitudes here overlap more than they diverge.

[-] SupremusRealitas@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

My suspicion is you are talking about Dungeon Crawler Carl?

Life is definitely too short to read books that don’t give you pleasure!

[-] wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Well… it’s tough: it does give me pleasure in the moment… but I fear after eight… I may have regret.

[-] JaymesRS@piefed.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

First, I fully support the, “not all books are for all people and spend what little time we all have focusing on that which brings you joy in a rewarding sense.

That said, if it is DCC, you’re not seeing the heart or soul in the first couple except in brief instances I think on purpose. You really start getting it in 3 on, because the first 2 are purely survival mode for Carl and Donut. Once you progress deeper in the dungeon, the machinations of the outside universe seeps in a bit more and provides a foil for Carl, et al. to react to and in cases interact with beyond just the next dungeon battle. (Also MD has said it will be 10 books total (9 stories with the last one split in 2 volumes)).

The floors do also seem to be inspired by different types of games.

Floor 1–2: Basic Old School Dungeon Crawl Floor 3: Dungeons and Dragons/RPG Floor 4: Rogue-like Games Floor 5: MMO Game Floor 6: Battle Royal (maybe?) Floor 7: Maze/Puzzle Floor 8: Pokémon/Collectible Card Game Floor 9: Real Time Strategy/Management SIM

[-] SupremusRealitas@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

I’ve only read the first book - I am interested in the larger universe - but they’ll obviously have to get out of the dungeon first. We’ll see!

I’m reading Dune Messiah right now — gotta get ready for the movie in December.

[-] SupremusRealitas@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

Where do you think your regret would come from?

[-] wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Realizing that the series offers no soul nourishing sustenance.

[-] SupremusRealitas@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago

What sustenance nourishes the soul? All learnings? Would you not say pleasure/joy nourishes the soul as well even if nothing new is learned?

[-] ZDL@lazysoci.al 0 points 1 week ago

It's the difference between eating sugar and eating fruit.

[-] SupremusRealitas@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

Both have their place!

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