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[-] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 6 points 1 week ago

Why is it so hard for the British government and civil service to not be utter fuck ups? Is this too much to ask?

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 5 points 1 week ago

Ciaran Martin, a former senior civil servant with past involvement in vetting work, who is a close friend of Robbins, told the BBC that the sacked official appeared to have been made a scapegoat.

He said vetting had been wrongly presented as a simple pass or fail, when it was instead a “risk assessment”, and that it was entirely standard for officials to decide whether the balance of risk was acceptable.

“There is no abuse of process, there is no failure of process. Not only is there no duty to disclose the details of a vetting case, there is a duty not to disclose them. The one thing you never do is tell ministers of any kind, because otherwise the vetting system would collapse,” he said.

I'm sorry...WHAT?!?!?! How can civil servants hold that level of judgement. I've long thought that the civil service has too much power over policy, resulting in the Home Office and Foreign Office having minimal change in policy no matter who is Home/Foreign secretary.

If this is really the case then hopefully this is a catalyst for a change in how the civil service operates and where decision making really lies.

[-] MrNesser@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Civil servants have a lot of control not over policy but over outcomes.

The question here though is did starmer make his decision on mandelson before the vetting was completed thus nullifying it or after.

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 1 week ago

Civil servants have a lot of control not over policy but over outcomes.

That's a difference that matters only if the people at the top of the civil service have no opinions on what constitutes a desirable outcome. I would say that's effectively impossible.

[-] lbfgs@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago

It's a lie.

Tory shadow justice secretary Nick Timothy said on Friday that he had been aware of such an incident when he was chief of staff to Prime Minister Theresa May. “When I was in No 10, somebody failed developed vetting before their proposed appointment to a sensitive post. We were told immediately, and were advised — correctly — that this person could not be appointed. Who gave that advice? Sue Gray — later Starmer’s chief of staff,” Timothy said on X.

Allies of Olly Robbins defend handling of Mandelson vetting - https://www.ft.com/content/58c01bc9-12bf-440c-9a91-01c130a6a9c1?shareType=nongift via @FT

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