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  • Technically, the new law will raise the legal age requirement in the UK for buying cigarettes, cigars or tobacco, which is currently 18, by one year in every subsequent year, starting on January 1, 2027
  • This will effectively mean that people born on or after January 1, 2009 will never be eligible to buy them
  • Retailers will face financial penalties for selling the products to those not entitled to them
  • The government will also be empowered to impose a new registration system for smoking and vaping products entering the country, seeking to improve oversight
  • The bill will expand the UK's indoor smoking ban to a series of outdoor public spaces, for instance in children's playgrounds, outside schools and hospitals
  • Most indoor spaces that are designated smoke-free will become vape-free as well
  • Smoking in designated areas outside pubs and bars and other hospitality settings will remain permissible
  • Smoking and vaping will remain legal in people's homes
  • Vaping will become illegal in cars if someone under the age of 18 is inside, to match existing rules on smoking
  • Advertising for smoking and vaping products will be banned
  • People aged 18 or older will remain eligible to purchase vaping products, but some items targeted at younger consumers like disposable vapes have already been outlawed as part of the program
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[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Well there's certainly no way this will create a black market, and become impossible to enforce!

[-] MBech@feddit.dk 4 points 1 month ago

There surely will become somewhat of a black market, but not in the same way as weed or harder drugs. Smoking doesn't really give you a buzz except for the first few times, so people won't go to the black market for the effect, but rather to keep the withdrawels at bay. It would seem incredibly silly to buy cigarettes like people buy weed, when all it really does for a first timer is taste horrible, make you cough, and if you actually manage to inhale, make you a bit dizzy. Sure, some people from 2009 and onwards will start to smoke, but it'll be a whole lot less people than today.

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[-] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Come to Australia. A legit carton of fags is about 90% tax, and dodgy darts are outselling them. Vapes are prescription-only. No doctor will prescribe it, and no pharmacy will dispense it. So vapes are effectively banned too.

The black market is huge.

At the current exchange rate, a 20 pack goes for £25 GBP:

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[-] rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

What enforcement? Anyone born after 2008 would be at most 17. Not sure about British law, but assuming majority is at 18, they weren't supposed to smoke anyway. It creates no black market that doesn't already exist.

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[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 month ago

We all know that banning drugs means that people will stop using them. Or so.

[-] cley_faye@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Prohibition is never good, removing individual freedom is never good. I can see the point for some of these restrictions, to provide a safe basis for other people around (because we can't ask people to simply be nice), but more than that… meh.

I will not be up in arms to defend smoking rights, but that's probably not the way to do it.

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[-] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

How kind of the government to decide that people born after 2008 have fewer freedoms than those born before it!

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Now, this is a good thing, but I can't help but imagine in 2099, a 90yr old begging their friends to sell them a pack

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[-] West_of_West@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago

Good. It'll cut down healthcare costs

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[-] altasshet@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Not including vaping is kinda... Odd.

[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

One fight at a time

[-] architect@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 month ago

I think people should be allowed to harm themselves with drugs of they want. Maybe I’m a radical.

[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Not as long as healthcare is a public cost.

[-] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Can I also regulate what you eat and how much you exercise, how much booze and wine, etc? Or have we decided freedom and intellectual consistency were constructs of the 20th century?

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[-] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Lemmites normally: smoking is bad and should be banned.

UK government: ok then.

Lemmites now: YO WHAT THE FUCK.

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[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

Did they look at Australia and the colossal failure trying the same thing, and thought "but we will be different"?

[-] 8oow3291d@feddit.dk 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

What do you mean? As far as I am aware, Australia has not created such a generational ban law yet, so how can it be a failure?

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

Terribly sorry, I got my down under nations mixed up. It was New Zealand that tried.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/19/new-zealand-smoking-ban-what-uk-can-learn

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 1 month ago

It's OK, nobody born after that will be able to afford them.

There's a reason vapes got popular, and part of that is a pack of 20 ciggies costing £15+.

So now everyone smells of either fruit salads or weed.

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[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 points 1 month ago

Just ban smoking in public places. I don't want people blowing smoke at me when I'm walking down the street or when I'm siting outside drinking coffee. If they want to smoke in their apartment or their car it's their business. It would be easier to fight people smoking in the street than check what age every smoker is.

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[-] sonofearth@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

This is a stupid decision. Prohibition has never worked. Instead there will be more illegal, unsafe and unregulated cigarettes that the newer generations will smoke which will be more harmful while at the same time losing tax revenues and an increase in policing costs.

A better solution will be just to tax the shit out of these products and fund healthcare with it.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Smoking is bad, but prohibition of drugs just drives them underground and denies freedom. Bad call UK

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[-] lordziv@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 month ago

This law was originally implemented within New Zealand some years ago and I believe it is based on the same principles. I am all for it because it doesn't affect those that already smoke, just the ones that would potentially get into it in the future. And it has a rolling eligibility year so every year it will move, stopping all future generations from potentially being able to try it legally. Eventually it would get to the point where the generations that currently smoke die off completely and then it would be most likely looked at from an antiquated perspective. Unfortunately, in our case, as soon as the latest conservative parliament got into power, they completely rolled it back. We never got to see the long term potential positive implications of it in practice.

[-] meathorse@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

90% of the NZ population was right behind this... And then the tobacco lobby got their fingers into the govt and they folded like the cheap 1-ply TP they are. Fuckers!

[-] architect@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 month ago

Why should grown adults not be allowed to partake in these things? Why are people okay with giving up freedoms? Little things like this are what makes life worth living for some people.

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[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 points 1 month ago

This is one of the few bans that actually makes sense. Carcinogens are genuinely bad for a person's future.

[-] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Oi cunt, 'ave you got a loicense for them cigarettes?

[-] stickly@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I sometimes feel like people get so caught up on the word "prohibition" that their arguments bend towards addiction enabling at a societal scale. Smoking is beyond crazy when you look at the stats (using USA for convenience, but similar for other countries)

  • Cigarettes are the leading cause of preventable disease and death, causing nearly 500k deaths per year. [For reference, the far more popular drug alcohol is the 3rd highest with under 100k deaths]
  • In 2024, 41k deaths were due to second hand smoke exposure alone
  • Cigarettes cost the USA more than $600B in 2018
  • Private insurance only pays for a fraction of the health care costs, the larger majority coming directly/indirectly from public funds
  • The damage done has a vastly disproportionate burden on minorities, the poor and other at-risk populations

The problem is simple: cigarettes are a massive drain on the health system, directly and indirectly. The solution should be just as simple: buying cigarettes forfeits your rights to health care treatments for the damage caused. You get some palliative care but we save the lung transplants for people who aren't killing themselves.

If you think that's too harsh then you should stomach the cost of prohibition, policing and black markets. No matter how shitty, costly and dangerous it may be I promise that it will save lives and money if it's a barrier to even a fraction of smokers.

[-] horse@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago

I honestly don't think this will lead to a massive black market like some people seem to think. I don't see big profit margins that would make cigarettes an attractive thing to sell illegally. You can only make them so expensive if you can just find someone older to buy them for you for the normal price.

Besides, smoking is pretty shit really. There aren't going to be loads of people willing to go through the hassle of getting cigarettes illegally when all they do is stink and give you cancer. Especially when the people who can't buy them will mostly be people who haven't had a chance to get addicted yet.

I think this will work and be a net positive in the long run.

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[-] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Well. This will create an underground for buying cigs. Hopefully though it kills smoking forever. I vape myself but used it to get off cigs. Young kids in America at least hate both, some are still doing it but the stigma is vaping/smoking bad.

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