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submitted 1 year ago by jeffw@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

Highlights: Joe Biden and top aides have discussed the likelihood that Benjamin Netanyahu’s political days are numbered — and the president has conveyed that sentiment to the Israeli prime minister in a recent conversation.

Biden has gone so far as to suggest to Netanyahu that he should think about lessons he would share with his eventual successor, the two administration officials added.

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[-] xenomor@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

I’ve got news for the Biden administration. Lashing themselves to a fascist ethnostate and participating in their genocidal campaign is going to have political consequences for themselves too.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately no it won't. Republicans are even worse about Israel than Democrats are, so unless someone who opposes Israel and can somehow gain mainstream support enters the race, Biden's probably gonna win.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Why do people act like voter turnout isn't ever an issue leading up to an election?

A third of our country usually don't vote. It's been less than a decade since trump managed to win because Clinton depressed turnout... For lots of Americans, casting a ballot can take hours after a full day of work. Potential positive rewards is always more effective than potential punishments, that's just human psychology.

And I don't know if you've noticed, but someone doesn't need to win the popular vote to be president. A couple states decided by less than 100,000 votes can swing for any number of reasons that dont exist in a vacuum. It doesn't need to be a single one issue. A bunch that have small effects is just as effective as a single large one.

Like, man, that shit just happened. We all just lived through that.

[-] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago

To further this point, there are 200,000 registered Muslim voters in Michigan. 16 electoral votes that Biden barely clinched with around 155,000 votes.

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

For lots of Americans, casting a ballot can take hours after a full day of work.

With the recent (last ten years) political silliness, I've started to schedule election day(s) off each year.

But I want to talk about something you may not know, or didn't mention, that makes your point even more important. In some places, the polling place/election booths are literally in the lobby of an old folks home.

What this means, is while you and I and all the working people in this country have to schedule time off, and work around their jobs to vote, Ethel, who can barely walk, doesn't remember her kid's names, and thinks Gerald Ford is the current president gets to just drive her Rascal down to the lobby to vote. And it's easy to sway the people in the retirement home with conservative talking points.

[-] xenomor@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Fracturing your coalition (even if you are only cleaving off a few percent) in a political environment as tight as we have, is really problematic.

[-] APassenger@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Many Muslim Americans have more interests in common with Republicans than Democrats - except for identity. Identity is only one component of a person's decision of how to vote.

Biden is endangering far more than he seems to appreciate.

That you say "probably gonna win." is a risk I'm loathe to take.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That you say “probably gonna win.” is a risk I’m loathe to take.

Yeah makes sense. Also I guess I didn't consider the voter turnout part. Yeah he, and America, might be fucked.

That aside, I'd say a Muslim that actually looks at policy would consider republicans to be like a lot worse than democrats, but that puts too much trust in the average voter.

[-] microphone900@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago

Not surprising, Netanyahu was facing fairly large protests against his authoritarian actions before the war started. Protests against Israel’s judicial overhaul kick off at Supreme Court a day before crucial hearing. This was 11 September 2023, just 3 weeks before the war escalated.

[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Nobody should have the amount of power or weild it for as long as he has. He's corrupt through and through and he needs to go. Nobody who has the power he has would be uncorrupted

[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

Then why are we backing his every move

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

Why do you assume we (the USA) are? I think it's far more likely that there are disagreements and negotiations going on which are not being announced publicly, because the public announcement of such things wouldn't send the right message.

[-] xenomor@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Yes, god forbid that we send a message that humans matter in any meaningful way. Anyway I’m glad to hear that Biden has a secret plan that contradicts nearly all of his actions and rhetoric to date.

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Of course I can only guess what happens in secret negotiations, but my guess is that their main goal is to keep this conflict contained in Gaza rather than involving Hezbollah and other Iranian proxies. To this end, the US might counsel avoiding actions that would be particularly provocative even if they serve a legitimate military purpose. But despite any disagreement, the appearance of total solidarity is essential, since Iran is much less likely to get involved if that appears to risk war with the US.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Negotiations while giving him a shitton of money are still backing his every move.

[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Investments that are already in place is my guess. The u.s wants to keep Israel as an ally but knows that Netanyahu needs to go, so they may be becomingy Israel but are starting to seperate the two.

[-] nix@merv.news 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Counterpoint: Netanyahu know this and he won’t let this “war” stop so he can stay in power

[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 10 points 1 year ago

He won't. Bibi will be gone when the shooting stops. Israel has a history of these things.

[-] Sneptaur@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago

And by then the genocide will be complete

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[-] Melkath@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

"Your political days are numbered... man, I'm tired. Here's 50 billion dollars. Now my political days are numbered too."

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