'Almost Worthless': Progressives Rip 2024 Autopsy the DNC Didn’t Want You To See (www.commondreams.org)

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[-] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 weeks ago

I was surprised by how weak and digressive it was.

When they announced their intention to bury it I assumed that meant it was accurate and on point, and they wanted to bury it for exactly that reason.

But instead it almost feels like a whitewash - like the sort of thing the DNC would've ordered specifically to divert from the real problems of support for genocide and subservience to moneyed interests.

Makes me wonder if this is some sort of elaborate fraud - if they didn't just throw this together as a substitute to release in place of the real autopsy.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Paul Rivera spoke for an hour to big donors about the autopsy, prior to the announcement that they would not be releasing it publicly. This report was crafted to assure that business as usual politics would continue. Democrats don't care if they lose as long as donations keep coming.

That's it.

That's the takeaway.

[-] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

Democrats don’t care if they lose as long as donations keep coming.

Right, but that's exactly why I assumed that the autopsy was accurate and on-point - because it found fault with things the DNC not only was but still is deliberately doing solely to keep the soft money rolling in, and in spite of the fact that those things will likely lead to a loss. That's the reality they don't want the voters to become (more) aware of.

But since it's just a mealy-mouthed whitewash, it seems like they might as well have released it as promised.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

The report only confirms that and they were trying to avoid being called out.

That or this AI slop of a report, with factual errors on almost every page and a blank conclusion section, isn't the real report and is just fodder hoping to ignore the issues they don't want to address.

Either way we can draw the same conclusion about party leadership.

[-] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

Either way we can draw the same conclusion about party leadership.

True that. The names may have changed but the policies and strategies are the same now as they have been since at least 2016 - pimp the pro-corporate/pro-zionist "moderates" no matter what the voters want, at least ignore if not actively campaign against the progressives, again no matter what the voters want, and most important of all, don't do anything that might cut into the flow of soft money.

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

To an extent. They and Republicans are committed to learning the wrong lesson. All these people refusing to vote Etc or voting third party. You will never get their attention or get them to learn from your actions. They will always look at the one of the two that won. And imitate them. It's what's happened for over 50 years. And the same people are still in charge.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

They aren't learning the wrong lessons because it's not the public that they serve, it's private interests. They know exactly what they are doing.

[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

All these people refusing to vote Etc or voting third party. You will never get their attention or get them to learn from your actions.

They know.

Third party votes aren't cast to win an election. However, third party voters certainly change local politics, where all of their progress is being made.

(for example, ballot initiatives in my state had massive third party participation, and have been successful)

re non-voters, they are growing every year, now at about 36%. They know they can't get their attention or teach lessons, too.

[-] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

This is them burying it. By releasing a highly dishonest version of events

[-] protist@retrofed.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

What seems obvious is that Paul Rivera, who wrote this report by himself and provided absolutely no source material, was in way over his head and may have even made shit up.

What boggles my mind, though, is that rather than come out and say the report was poor quality and clearly omitted many important issues and thus has limited to no utility, DNC Chair Ken Martin went to the media and tried to sell it like there were important conclusions drawn and that the DNC was enacting them.

Ken Martin of course hand picked Paul Rivera to do this. I don't know if he was trying to protect his own ego or what, but he very blatantly lied to the public about this report and has lost all credibility. I think it's likely he loses his job soon.

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I was surprised by how weak and digressive it was.

When they announced their intention to bury it I assumed that meant it was accurate and on point, and they wanted to bury it for exactly that reason.

On the contrary: the new DNC leadership is entirely different from the old, so the new leadership decided to bury it because they understood it was weak and digressive. You got it exactly backwards because you didn't understand the leadership changed.

[-] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 weeks ago

I know full well that the leadership changed.

I'm just not naive enough to believe for even a second that that has made or will make a fucking bit of difference.

[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

Ken Martin flat out lied about why they weren't releasing this report, and attacked people who criticized him over it.

He has to go, and not just him.

[-] protist@retrofed.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

His interview with Jon Favreau on Pod Save America was the absolute worst. It sounds like the guy did a great job in Minnesota, but whoever showed up for that interview that day is someone I want nowhere near power. And yeah, now we've confirmed what we suspected, the whole time he was talking down to Jon he was lying through his teeth. I agree he has to go.

[-] theedqueen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Hands down the most frustrating thing I’ve ever listened to. I wanted to shut it down so many times. Jon did pretty well pushing back at him but I really wanted him to push harder whenever Ken said “we gave you lessons” and tell him he’s conflating morals/conclusions with lessons. Lessons come from learning from a past event and you can’t do that without knowing the background. Also wanted him to say more explicitly that asking for blind faith was bullshit.

[-] human@slrpnk.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

The autopsy concluded that so-called “identity politics” don’t resonate with white male voters. The report noted the success of Trump’s attack ads, particularly the anti-trans spots with the kicker, “Kamala is for they/them, President Trump is for you.”

“If the vice president would not change her position—and she did not—then there was nothing which would have worked as a response,” the report asserts.

Fuck these ghouls

[-] Folstar@lemmus.org 11 points 2 weeks ago

No wonder Democrats lose. The inclusion question and the GQPedos targeting groups is the easiest fix in the history of fixes, but Dems keep getting it wronger and wronger. The answer is not to make more exhaustive lists of the groups they want to help, which invariably leaves people out, it's to say "everyone". Any stupid questions about [insert targeted minority group], answer "everyone should feel and be safe". This is an easy fix and they'll taking 18 months to wiff on the answer? We're in trouble.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

Lmao

[-] chortle_tortle@mander.xyz 11 points 2 weeks ago

Palestine

Israel

Genocide

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Guess it didn't come up :\

[-] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Might be a hot take, but I think regardless of her or the DNCs position on Palestine she had already lost.

It's very stupid to not have analyzed it in a report like this, but also literally like, what difference did it make

[-] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

I really think as much as leftists want it to be Palestine, it's really the same reasons that 2024 was a bad year for incumbents globally.

[-] chortle_tortle@mander.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

Possibly. I think there is something to be said for pushing away every politically active young person in your base and how that impacts your "ground game", and failure of the ground game is something they do touch on.

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[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 3 points 2 weeks ago

RIP

[-] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Wow... What a train wreck

I didn't realize it'd be possible for it to be even more vapid and feckless than I expected...

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Discissions of this are so completely over-serious... We're looking to breakdown nuance in an autopsy document and the guy who "won" is telling reporters, "Your face is dumb, okay? And to tell you the truth it very actually looks like how a butt looks. You're a real nasty bitch woman for saying a face like that. My uncle you know, he did face, a genius they said even probably, but your face... bitch face. [Wet fart]".

We're a failed nation, it's a hard reality to confront, but it is reality. The freightened idiots feel untouchable, this won't resolve with reasoned debate with strong citations.

Civility is already lost, by definition the Democratic party won't do the law breaking required to compete with this disaster. And that probably means the only win wouldn't fell like a victory at all, because we'd have to stoop so low. The only candidate that might compete today is someone who breaks into the white house ground and writes, "trump kisses my balls" on the walls in his own shit. America is captured.

[-] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I seriously doubt this was prepared during the time they claim it was. It seems like a bunch of nothing words with a strict no mention of anything the left has been talking about being the issue. It's like what you'd get if you asked a chat bot to prepare an almost 200 page document about why it wasn't any of these things while being careful not to mention any of those things.

[-] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 4 points 2 weeks ago

Former leadership appointed a single guy to write this report with no real academic resources, so it really just reads as that guy's opinion.

[-] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Don't worry, folks...AIPAC had a chance to go through the data first, and they found nothing wrong with the conclusions made in this report.

10/10 AIPAC approved.

[-] FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

We really need ranked choice voting

Ranked choice voting allows for multiple choices and parties and candidates

[-] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago

Why? Where do you use that anywhere else in your life

[-] Space00@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

How often do you vote?

[-] Wataba@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 weeks ago

Who the fuck cares anymore.

America already surrendered to tyrants.

[-] fira@lemmy.today 8 points 2 weeks ago

Surrendered?? Wtf are you taking about? Things are dire out there, but there is a resistance. Get off your damn couch & join it, out build it if you have to

[-] Folstar@lemmus.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

I would like to believe you are correct, but all I've seen is some sternly worded letters and people hanging out in the park with signs. Neither of these is much of a resistance. No answer to Project 2025. Nothing but a death by inches defensive approach politically. The Democrats selling out voters at every turn and calling it decorum or similar. It certainly looks like we're cooked.

[-] fira@lemmy.today 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah most politicians are fucked, we knew the DNC was worthless the second Biden announced he was running for reelection. It’s the people’s resistance you have to look for, which I think you can count the election of Mamdani as part of that resistance. The DNC tried to run accused sex predator Cuomo against him & the voters said hell no & elected Mamdani. & Mamdani has done anything but sit on his hands like members of the Democratic Party are doing.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago

No matter how much Trump scares you about the Antifa militia, it doesn't make it exist.

[-] fira@lemmy.today 1 points 2 weeks ago

I guess this doesn’t count as an antifa militia then?

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Lol...

I called it but so did anyone with a brain:

It was pointless to want this released, it was never going to be released to the public, and even if they did release it, the same people would make up a new complaint.

Asking the current DNC to explain why the "autopsy report sucks" is like asking Abraham Lincoln why he didn't free the slaves during George Washington's presidency...

Anyone asking that question is either an idiot or trying to mislead people.

When this report was made, the current DNC head was the Minnesota party chair. When he became the DNC chair, he got to change the entire DNC. The chair is essentially a presidency with a four year term.

Acting like this one has anything to do with the last one after a big pivot from neoliberalism is completely illogical.

The billionaires spread it via the media, but loads of people actually believe it and repeat it thinking it's true

[-] elevenbones@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 weeks ago

Dems wanted their own lil epstein files to not release, then release edited bullshit

[-] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Really really really disingenuous to compare this to the Epstein Trump Files. Like the peak of false equivalence. "Being out of touch on the cause of voter abstinence is literally the same as raping and murdering children" like bro wtf are you on?

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