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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by spirinolas@lemmy.world to c/cat@lemmy.world

Here's a little schematic to understand the layout. Help me figure out this mistery, not only to satisfy my curiosity but also to know if the cats in my street are in any danger.

Before reading and to avoid triggering any of you, my cat is fine and he was asking for belly rubs in the sun on my backyard just now.

So, I live in the house with the backyard with the B. My cat occasionally hangs around my neighbor's backyard too. At curfew, if he's outside, I come calling and he comes in.

Last night I called him in the backyard at B and he didn't come but he was replying terrified. I know his meowing and this was "I can hear you, I'm scared, help me". I couldn't see him since only my backyard had any light. Every time I called he replied immediately in the same panic. That by itself wouldn't scare me since he's very anxious and easily startled. Once he entered the neighbor's house and got locked in and he was yelling for me from inside the exact same way. But this time was different. The sound came from the outside the house, somewhere around the circle in A. And always from the same exact place. It really seemed he was stuck, he was definitely not budging.

I went around the house through the empty terrain (blue arrow) with a flashlight to see if I could see him and figure what was wrong. As I started moving through the low vegetation I heard and somewhat saw some movement in C in the direction of the arrow. I called my cat again and he was no longer replying. I looked inside my neighbor's backyard and saw nothing.

I went back into the house. My mother was in the backyard (B) calling my neighbor. She said she saw nothing but heard a huge noise inside the house near the backdoor. The description of the noise sounded a lot like my cat running in panic. After a while looking for him inside and outside we eventually found him hiding behind furniture, peeking very cautiously. It took a while but he recovered. He has no injury or any kind mark of any struggle on his fur.

What I'm pretty sure happened:

  • He was around A completely terrified of something and was not budging
  • At the moment I entered the empty field whatever C was, it ran from me
  • Also at that moment, my little demon flew through the fences and into my backdoor so quick my mother couldn't even see him and made a huge noise running for his life (as he often does)

What I have no clue and want to find out:

  • Most important, what the hell could C have been?

  • Was my furry murderer frozen on fear or was something actually physically preventing him from leaving

  • How long was he "stuck" there until I came calling him for curfew?

Some relevant information and, since I know some you are against leaving your cats going outside:

  • My cats are indoor/outdoor, as most are here, and they can come and go as they please, though mine mostly stay inside and in my backyard. The cat in question explores just a bit more, but not much.

  • At night, they have curfew and are inside only, and they know that routine

  • It's a calm street and the cars are slow. Also, for specific reasons my cats are terrified of cars and they even hide when they hear an engine.

  • There are no known cat predators here. This is southwestern Europe in a 500k city suburb. There is a small woodland near here which I know very well and the most dangerous thing there is a hedgehog (I actually had one living in my backyard for a year). A fox is very unlikely since I never saw one here. But I have seen foxes in stranger places.

EDIT: Why does every post mentioning a cat outdoors has to be hijacked by the indoor cat fundamentalists? Really, guys? You have the right to your opinion and even to make your argument. But why you have to hijack every post to say your piece for the nth time? It's annoying as it is ridiculous.

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[-] iamthetot@piefed.ca 8 points 1 week ago

Cats should not be allowed to free roam for more than the reasons you tried to preempt. For one, everyone thinks their cat won't get hit by a car right up until it does. "calm street and the cars are slow" works right up until it doesn't. It only takes once. They're also exposed to more diseases and parasites. The average outdoor cat lifespan is nearly 3x less than an indoor only cat.

But, furthermore, your entire preemptive defence is also just selfish. Outside/unleashed is a danger to the cats, but the cats are also a danger to the outside.

Please, please, please keep your cats inside, and if you want to let them out do so responsibly on a leash with supervision. This is directed at everyone reading, not just OP.

[-] kobra@piefed.social 6 points 1 week ago

Agreed with this. I love cats and want them to live long, safe, and happy lives inside.

[-] spirinolas@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago

My cats are 8 and 9 years old. They never had close calls with cars or other animals. If I suddenly decided to lock them indoors for the rest of their lives they'd go insane. When I leave for days and they have stay locked inside they become depressed.

Is there a risk? Yes, but it's a small price to pay for their mental well-being, not to mention physical activity.

I'm much happier letting them decide where they want to go during the day. And so are they. Keeping an animal in irons just because you want it "safe" is not protecting it is abusing it.

[-] iamthetot@piefed.ca 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

How can you possibly know if they ever had close calls with cars or animals in 8 to 9 years of unsupervised, free roaming time outside? Also, isn't this very post about your cat having a potential close call with something, and you not knowing what it could have been? How could you possibly make that assertion?

But besides that, I cannot emphasize enough, it only takes once.

Your comment again ignores the havok that cats also wreak on the ecosystem around you, particularly for birds.

Cats being happier outdoors is entirely unfounded. Cats live incredibly fulfilling and happy lives indoors when properly cared for and stimulated, and crucially, much longer lives on average. Asserting that it's abuse to keep a cat indoors is absurd and no credible vet on earth would agree with that assertion. Furthermore, if you truly believe your cats will be happier exploring outside, then they can go for supervised walks on a leash.

[-] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My neighbor from a few years ago let their cat roam our tiny street and he got FIV, and likely also spread it.

Further, not only is it a risk for your cat, it's a risk to the environment. They are responsible for the extinction of multiple bird species.

You really think that your cat is exempt from the studies showing outdoor cats have much lower lifespans? It's not, and it's proven by this post. Whatever scared them was probably trying to harm them (probably a stray tomcat, like my neighbors' FIV+ one. FIV is spread through all bodily fluids, even their saliva through bites that you may not be able to easily see under their fur).

I have three indoor only cats that live very healthy, happy, and danger-free lives. They have never been in the danger that yours was probably in.

[-] alzymologist@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago

It's nesting season now. Keeping cats outside pretty much means easy and fun hunting on fledgelings.

Now, altruistic feelings aside, in addition to somewhat endangered tits and not really endangered sparrows, there are birds that are totally lethal for cats. Some of those, like owls, are often really hard to spot for an untrained human, for they are very fast and make no noise. Others, like crows and seagulls, are just very fast and devious. And they would totally try to do anything in their power to prevent the hunting for their babies, from instilling fear, to physical damage of various severity (that they could also inflict onto humans, I guess rarely lethal in Europe, but eye traumas happen; I know of conflicts between humans and crows where government had to resort to inviting professional military sniper to settle it. Hunters know not to mess with owls lest they are fine losing their face, literally.).

So this is just another theory that does not require cat predators and quite fits the setup described.

My neighbors keep cats outside; those look scared to death most of time this season - for a good reason, there is an extremely hungry owl family learning to fly here (that only I and people on Fediverse who saw my shitty smartphone pictures know about). Those are an addition to everpresent lynxes, a bear, and at least one wolverine, yet it's never this scary for them as now, it seems.

[-] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago

New big neighbouring stray that bullied your cat. Cat often will not move from another cat, and will have staring competition with them, but this time the competing cat might be larger so your cat is afraid but will not budge because that cat will give chase if he run. Cat will often run from any other animal but not cat, they will have a staring competition.

[-] ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

I also vote for this. Once had a cat that went on her first alone outside trip. She likely found a nice place close to some bushes to take a dump when she was surprised by another cat and got scared so much she fled mid shit back into the house. It was a huge mess and she avoided leaving the direct proximity of the house afterwards.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago

Easy solution: keep your cats inside.

[-] SparroHawc@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

Honestly, it's possible that your cat knocked something over in your neighbor's yard and panicked. It'd sound like something big and scary, which would cause the cat to hole up and yell to be saved - and then when you came around the corner, perhaps thought that the 'big scary monster' was coming without knowing it was you.

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In North America I would guess coyote, in Europe, I would guess a fox or feral dog chased him until he found somewhere to hide from it.

Could also just be another cat. Big Tom cats have a tendency to chase other cats around.

[-] spirinolas@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

It's in the suburbs of a major city. I'd be very surprised to find a fox here. I'd very surprised if another cat would scare him that much. He's not a pushover.

[-] 56_@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago

City suburbs are prime fox territories. Where I used to live you would easily see multiple foxes per night if you looked out of the window for 5 minutes. There were many cats about (including our own), and never heard of foxes causing any issues for cats.

[-] CatsGoMOW@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I’m also in suburbs of a large city. I literally just saw a fox in my driveway between my house and the neighbor’s house a couple weeks ago. There are also periodic reports of a coyote or two throughout the year. They’re not common to see in a more urban area, but they’re usually around somewhere.

[-] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Years ago while living in the suburbs, I was literally stalked up a quiet residential street at midnight by a female fox. I was walking my large dog at the time, and the fox was barking at him. Turns out the fox was in heat and thought my dog was a good mating option. It followed us for several minutes. It was pretty freaky because I didn't recognize the sound but I could see something from about 100 feet away. It looked kind of like a small dog, but sounded unearthly.

So basically: foxes can be incredibly bold animals, even in suburban areas. And this theory seems plausible to me.

[-] spirinolas@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I also think fox is a prime candidate. Never saw one here and I know the woodland pretty. But I have seen a fox in a larger city and very bold one at that. But why wouldn't my cat just run back home?

[-] kobra@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago

Honestly your cat may have backed the fox down a little bit. If the cat runs, the fox immediately goes into hunt mode and the cat is prey. If the cat stands its ground, the fox might have been debating whether this was worth it or not.

[-] akwd169@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

I've seen a fox and coyotes in the suburbs of Toronto, a major city of more than a million

And in the same neighborhood there is a constant stream of missing cat posters

[-] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

I live in the middle of Kansas City and I see deer, foxes, ground hogs, raccoons, possums, vultures, you name it.

My dog chases my neighbor cats up trees, even though the trees aren’t in our backyard. They could safely leave without interacting with him but they won’t leave until I make him go inside.

There was definitely an animal out there that your cat was concerned about. May or may not have been a predator, but likely it was.

[-] StealthLizardDrop@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago

As others said most likely another cat. Could have had yours locked in a defendable spot until you approached and it run away. From your description its most likely a cat. Could have been a stray, just wondering in, or unneutered male.

[-] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Could be a cat ?

Or one of those :

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago
[-] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago

Marmot, ferret, chupacabra

[-] tpihkal@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago
[-] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

Sasquatch in southern europe? Ohhh they do have famous mountains. So, a Yeti, a sea monster, I have wandered too far afield?

[-] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago
[-] Nomad@infosec.pub 1 points 1 week ago

OP is in Germany

this post was submitted on 30 May 2026
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