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submitted 1 year ago by kae@lemmy.ca to c/technology@lemmy.world

In a surprising move, Apple has announced today that it will adopt the RCS (Rich Communication Services) messaging standard. The feature will launch via a software update “later next year” and bring a wide range of iMessage-style features to messaging between iPhone and Android users.

Apple’s decision comes amid pressure from regulators and competitors like Google and Samsung. It also comes as RCS has continued to develop and become a more mature platform than it once was.

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[-] Uglyhead@lemmy.world 92 points 1 year ago

Nothing phone in shambles.

[-] 13617@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We need to thank the nothing phone for this. They're only responding like this after severe market pressure. Thank you Nothing

[-] kirklennon@kbin.social 57 points 1 year ago

Do you honestly think Apple cares about Nothing in any capacity? They are irrelevant and apply zero market pressure on Apple.

[-] 13617@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

They don't necessarily put market pressure on apple but they do put the messaging pressure on Apple. MKBHDs video explained it pretty well, if apple were to just shut down nothing's messenger methods, then they'd get a lot of negative press and the EU would have more reason to take action against them.

I think that apple's trying to get out of the EUs grasp especially with this move. But the pressure from Nothing seems to have done at least something.

[-] 13617@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They don't necessarily put market pressure on apple but they do put the messaging pressure on Apple. MKBHDs video explained it pretty well, if apple were to just shut down nothing's messenger methods, then they'd get a lot of negative press and the EU would have more reason to take action against them.

I think that apple's trying to get out of the EUs grasp especially with this move. But the pressure from Nothing seems to have done at least something.

Edit: nvm https://twitter.com/MaxWinebach/status/1725223759244636320?s=20

[-] kirklennon@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

iMessage is basically a non-player in the EU; Apple already has an extremely compelling legal argument against any regulation on that front. There's no indication whatsoever that an announced workaround from a niche player had any bearing on Apple's decision.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

So what do we think was the motivation then?

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[-] Corgana@startrek.website 12 points 1 year ago

Beeper too. They got a lot of buzz a while back for a similar feature.

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[-] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 1 year ago

That means google is going to open the rcs api up to other devs soon too...right? Right??

[-] gnurd@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 year ago

It says in the artical they plan to use rcs the standard as currently published by the GSM Association. So I assume they won't be using Google version. Unless I'm misunderstanding it.

[-] LWD@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[-] gnurd@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago

I'm not denying that. Later on in the article it goes into further detail about how apple use the GSM RCS standard and "work to improve it". Which means they won't use Google's version. So now we see what Google will do as Apple will not be working with them on the Google version after all their fuss about rcs.

My wife and I have a pixel while the rest of my family useses iPhone so I am quite interested in how this will turn out. If there is a way the two meet on the GSM standard I think it will be great. But will Google be willing to do that?

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[-] stevar@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Samsung Messages is RCS enabled too, fyi.

[-] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Only because they have some leverage over Google. It's also reliant on using Jibe. Which is where Google can get info on your social graph.

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[-] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 year ago

This is great but surprising news. Hopefully the implementation is actually good

[-] Corgana@startrek.website 18 points 1 year ago

I imagine they'll probably keep the blue bubbles and some features exclusive to iMessage users, but this is still great news.

I wonder if this will encourage Google to allow Fi users to have RCS while texting from PC...

[-] GhostlyPixel@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yep, they’ll definitely stick to the blue green system that already exists, threads with greens will just be improved from what they were/currently are

[-] 13617@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

What do you guys think is going to happen with like an open RCS standard? RCS is only available on Google messages.

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[-] kirklennon@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

They're going to implement the open standard ... which isn't what most Android users are actually using. Does Google's Messages app gracefully transition to the RCS standard if that's what the other person is using?

[-] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

No idea but, I suspect that Apple will have some negotiating power here, hopefully weakening Google's control and making it mostly open

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[-] hesusingthespiritbomb@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Alright so who do you think implements it first: Google Voice or Apple?

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[-] TheControlled@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Waiting for Apple to play it off like they weren't the problem the whole time.

[-] danielfgom@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

This was a big shock but welcome nevertheless. I think the looming EU Digital Rights Commission helped apply the pressure needed to make the change

[-] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I wonder if this comes due to the EU

[-] tomo@reddit.azumanga.gay 13 points 1 year ago

ok so the main hope here as a non google messages user is that this forces google to actually open up rcs more
because the fact that on android its de facto completely controlled by google (yes, i know its an open standard, thats why apple can do it separately, but you can still functionally monopolize an open standard) really sucks
like man i just want apis for rcs in aosp finally is that too much to ask for :(

[-] Kethal@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I asked this in another RCS thread but didn't get a conclusive answer. My understanding is that RCS, although there are claims that it's an open standard, is essentially controlled by Google. Looking this is up doesn't lead me far. Most articles just say that SMS sends blurry videos and that RCS is better at that. They don't discuss who develops RCS or how it works. Am I wrong, is it really open? SMS has serious flaws, but a corporporate controlled "standard" is even worse in my mind.

[-] Senshi@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

RCS is an open standard that states to be formalized over ten years ago, and was planned to replace SMS. However, SMS is a service offered by the cell network providers, so these were addressed to get together and implement it in all networks, so everyone can reliably use it, just like SMS works everywhere. it's not a feature of phone or OS manufacturers. They simply use the SMS protocol that is already available in the network implementation.

Sadly, the big network providers have failed to reach a consensus on if and when and how to implement RCS. Some say they simply had nothing to gain from it, and I believe they might be right. So they dragged their feet so long that Apple implemented iMessage to offer more features. Google held out longer waiting for the providers, but ultimately gave up as well and implemented their own messaging solution. And while the implementation is proprietary, it's still based on the open RCS standard, unlike the fully closed iMessage protocol and implementation. This means that as long Apple supports the RCS standard, it matters little to the end user if they build their own proprietary implementation. Google and Apple will be able to talk to each other via RCS. So why is it still not great, even if everyone will be able to use RCS this way?

Well, look a bit further. Any non-Android and non-Apple phone will not be able to participate unless they submit to Google it Apple. No more indie phones with truly independent RCS. The services are also owned and controlled by Google and Apple, two companies that are notoriously resistant to regulations. Unlike cell network providers, which are under comparatively strict federal regulatory control, and even international treaties on minimal requirements for consumer protection. They are well supervised and have to adhere to high security and privacy standards. It's definitely not perfect, but the current development is much worse. With RCS, it's now two global supranational companies that will handle your private communications, and history has shown that they are much less worried about adhering to local national laws.

[-] Kethal@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Ok, so the gist of this that I'm getting is that there is an genuinely open RCS standard, but no one has implemented it. Instead, Google has their thing that's been modified for their benefit at the expense of consumer privacy, and that Apple seems to be making their own similar version. So RCS itself isn't bad, but it's being ruined by bad actors, and as of yet there are no good actors.

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[-] Resol@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

So what will the color of the bubbles be this time? Red?

(Assuming that SMS and RCS aren't merged)

[-] hackitfast@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I read somewhere that they will still be green. It's confirmed by Apple as well.

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Still better than WhatsApp, but i would bet this will haunt us for many more years. I couldn’t convince others to use any alternative messenger to WhatsApp, unfortunately. It is easy too pupillary here

[-] Corgana@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago

I finally deleted my WhatsApp account and it feels good to not have any Meta tentacles on my device.

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[-] Horsey@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Fucking thank you. I’m so sick of not having typing indicators and read receipts with my parents lmao.

[-] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Mostly I just want videos that aren't compressed into oblivion

[-] joker125@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

As an iPhone convert this is a good thing.

[-] netchami@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Until we get an API for RCS on Android as well as FOSS implementations of RCS, I will happily continue using Signal. Even after RCS gets rolled out, Signal will probably still be a better option, because it shares as little metadata as possible and as much of it as possible is end-to-end encrypted.

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