Was it the neighborhoods?
Do you have any evidence to support your claim? I looked it up and I didn't see anything about "redemption" necessitating the fawning over of the redemptee by others, so until someone claims otherwise I'm going to believe Mr. Webster.
I'm so confused by this comment. Season three is literally (literally) about "a Federation that keeps adapting, improving, and ultimately continuing as a positive force moving forward through the dedicated collaboration of an infinitely-diverse collaboration of peoples" even in the face of overwhelming odds to the contrary.
Well said, Enterprise is my least favorite... until Season 4 which I consider to be some of my favorite Star Trek.
But same goes for Discovery! I appreciated what they were trying to do but it didn't click with me. And then seasons 4 and 5 I consider to be some of Trek's best.
Thank you for the sanity. I get so tired hearing Burhnam being held to such an obvious double standard. I wonder why? What is different about the character?
OMG you're so right.
Honestly I'm so used to hearing the same tired old arguments I didn't even process that.
You're suggesting that redemption from disgrace is the same as "everyone else fawning over how great she is and what they’d do without her"?
It just feels awfully weird to me that your list of criteria that makes a show "hateable" only applies to this particular show. And when another show checks off the items, the list suddenly stops being "hateable items" and instead becomes a list of minor nitpicks.
I just can't figure out what the difference is, what could it be about Discovery in particular that would cause you to hold this list of criteria with such gravitas, but when the listed items appear on a different show, you don't seem to mind? What could the difference be?
Musicals are amazing and you are worse than Khan for suggesting otherwise
She is the Mariest Sue who ever Mary Sued.
For clarity's sake, a Mary Sue describes a character who can do no wrong. This is how it's described on TVTropes:
[A Mary Sue] is exceptionally talented in an implausibly wide variety of areas, and may possess skills that are rare or nonexistent in the canon setting. She also lacks any realistic, or at least story-relevant, character flaws.
I'm curious how you square that description of a Mary Sue with Burhnam's many regular, repeated, failures and flaws as seen on screen and described in the dialogue? As one example, her character is introduced in the very first episode as a misguided mutineer and is demoted for it.
It's also important to separate what you're seeing online from the leftovers of a manufactured "opposition campaign" orchestrated by a handful of reactionary influencers.
Personally speaking I did not like the early two seasons, but I thought three is ok, and seasons four and five I consider to be some of Trek's best!
Wait what? lol I like Burhnam. I was arguing with the guy who was making shit up to hate on her!