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[-] flossdaily@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

The big problem with this argument is that it blames the ineffectual centrists and the ignored left, when the real villain is the anti-science suicide cult that is the Republican Party.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Republicans are Neoliberals too. Nice try at re-framing though.

[-] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Not really anymore. They’re just fascists.

[-] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Neoliberals who have realised that the only way to suppress wages further is with slavery.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

That doesn't seem very liberal, so this take seems doubtful

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[-] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Democrats are Neoliberals too. It's a cool thing to be. Try it!

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

ineffectual

Complicit.

[-] Lols@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the real villain for global inaction on climate change is not the american republican party

[-] Synthead@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Here is the part in the article that describes what activism needs to take place:

persuasion, argument, nonviolent direct action or other means

That's it. I don't think this is an article about activism at all.

[-] SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It's that good ol' white washed MLK activism. Our world is boiling and all we gotta do is keep making good arguments, as though the ones given haven't been enough.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

You and I have different definitions of activism. But I like where your heads at.

[-] Synthead@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

How did you conclude that so quickly and definitively?

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Game recognizes game. Or projection. Probably projection.

[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Really couldn't disagree more with this article but here's the big one that stands out:

Second, what must be done runs directly counter to the way the economy currently works.

It does not run counter to our existing system at all. We don't live in capitalist anarchy, we have a government that can act pretty broadly here, actually. The government can and has done cap and trade on NOx and SO2. The government can and has provided tax credits to make alternative energy more cost effective sooner.

If your complaint is that solutions to your prioritized issue are coming too slow, join the club, that's definitely true. But that is a different complaint.

[-] sadreality@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

Government is the only player who can provide a solution short of a revolution.

The issue is that we have criters and their boomer enables who think this is the their turn to loot younger generations. So reforms are not ton the table.

Selection of critters up for vote does not install any confidance, at this rate something might happen in 2030s.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Government is the only player who can provide a solution short of a revolution.

Not all boomers are down with this sickness. And with climate change on its way, I think you answered your own question about what is needed.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

You gonna fight in that revolution?

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Depends. You gonna wear the buttress chaps I bought you?

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So no, then.

I'd absolutely wear the chaps, btw.

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Imagine still believing that governments work for the people and not for the capitalists.. 🤯

[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

I gave examples of government solutions working. Your bumper sticker response does not refute that.

[-] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The government can and has done cap and trade on NOx and SO2. The government can and has provided tax credits to make alternative energy more cost effective sooner.

I presume you're either joking or you're trusting IPCC numbers to judge the severity of the problem. The examples you give are nowhere near what's needed. We need massive reductions in construction, commercial air travel, cars, and manufacturing of most junk that you can buy at a store today. How are you going to accomplish any of this in the capitalist economic system?

Edit: what I mean regarding IPCC is that I understand that their numbers are completely unrealistic because they are assuming carbon capture technology and scales that don't and won't exist.

Edit 2: add meat consumption as another item that needs to be massively reduced.

[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not saying my examples are the thing that solves climate change, just that there are paths other than "let corporations do whatever they want." Government acted to reduce acid rain and the hole in the ozone layer. Government can act to reduce climate change. That means there is a path in our current system.

Total US greenhouse gas emissions are lower than they were in 1990 and they have been going down for years. The question is if we can get low enough, fast enough, globally, to prevent as many negative impacts as possible. That sort of balancing of priorities and costs and benefits is why we have government.

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago
[-] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Ah yes, "blacklikemao" and "nyanarchist" - clearly sage wisdom.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thanks for the links. If I could read, I might not be a liberal.

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