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So does this also mean I’m only allowed to drink femboy milk if I do the milking myself?
I grew up helping my family 'process' cow and deer (and occasionally other game animals). It doesn't especially gross me out, and I'd do it again if my choice was to butcher animal corpses or have me and my family die.
Luckily, I developed a functioning moral and ethical framework, and don't need to eat animals or animal byproducts to live... so I don't. I think its wrong, even if it doesn't literally turn my stomach to think about doing.
And, I'm not the furthest off from being forced to eat animal products or die; I have a lot of food allergies, and my body seems like it likes getting more over time. Biggest struggle for me is being deathly allergic to all nuts and several seeds, but I'm okay with beans and wheat. Hope my body doesn't take me 🫘 from me. But I really can't eat from any restaurant, due to cross contamination.
I kind of agree. I leave people alone about their dietary choices, but I do respect meat-eaters more if they have 'hands-on' experience with the process of turning an animal into food. I was raised farming and hunting, and I've been vegan for almost 25 years now. My wife eats meat and it doesn't bother me, but she also grew up on a farm and knows where food comes from.
I don't think vegans have issues with dietary choices, it's the
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exploitation, rape, torture and murder that the animals are put through that we have a problem with.
If carnists can find a way to eat meat without doing any of those, most of us wouldn't mind it.
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i agree with this. i'm content with spending out the ass on the rare occasion when i do eat meat. though i'm also pretty firmly in the re-wilding camp (large wild herds of animals that we share with other meat eating animals). which goes beyond the abolition of factory farming, but i'd be happy if we manage that bit as well. i don't think you should keep animals in open air prisons even if you "treat them well". if you want to hang out with them, that's a different relationship.
why is this site so interested in this topic? I never see this particular struggle session take over twitter, what gives?
some crossover with an irrelevant subreddit 3 years back
When my wife and I went to Iceland a year ago, my wife was worried about being able to find halal food, in particular lamb. So before we left she asked me if I would be comfortable with being the one who had to do the slaughtering, because she doubted that the small coastal town we would be staying in had a halal butcher/super market, given that we would probably be doubling the towns muslim population upon arrival. "luckily" i didn't end up having to do the slaughtering, but it did make me question if our family should go vegetarian for a while.
If she's asking you to do it? Yes most definitely should think about passing on meat. I love my partners but short of a survival situation I'm not killing something for them to enjoy the taste of. There's plenty of food they can eat that doesn't require suffering to indulge in.
Plants May Let Out Ultrasonic Squeals When Stressed
Do Plants Feel Pain? A Primer on Plant Neurobiology
Yes
According to researchers at the Institute for Applied Physics at the University of Bonn in Germany, plants release gases that are the equivalent of crying out in pain. Using a laser-powered microphone, researchers have picked up sound waves produced by plants releasing gases when cut or injured.
Although not audible to the human ear, the secret voices of plants have revealed that cucumbers scream when they are sick, and flowers whine when their leaves are cut [source: Deutsche Welle]. And it's not just cucumbers that are making their voices heard.
Chewing Sounds Put Plants on High Alert
In a macabre turn of events, there's also evidence that plants can hear themselves being eaten. Researchers at the University of Missouri-Columbia found that plants understand and respond to chewing sounds made by caterpillars munching on them. As soon as the plants hear the noises, they respond with several defense mechanisms [source: Feinberg].
Plant Consciousness May Be a Real Thing
Research has revealed surprising insights into plant behavior, challenging assumptions about their capabilities. Plants, like the Mimosa pudica, can be anesthetized with substances like ether or lidocaine, causing them to stop responding to stimuli and suppressing their electrical activity.
This has sparked questions about whether this "sleep" state implies awareness or consciousness in plants. A small group of researchers, including Paco Calvo at the University of Murcia, are taking this idea seriously.
Can't eat meat without feels bad. Can't eat plants without feels bad. 
Just eat fruits and vegetables then. Plants might feel pain but it makes no sense for their reproductive processes to cause any feeling but pleasure. Plants make fruits so animals will pick and eat them, and disperse their seeds. At least most plants do, or more precisely, the fruits we eat are those meant to be eaten by those which eat them.
Plants might feel pain but it makes no sense for their reproductive processes to cause any feeling but pleasure.
I hate to tell you this, but nature doesn't run on what makes sense. There's nothing about them feeling pain that implies they feel pleasure at having their reproductive organs ripped off.
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Hunted a lot and butchered everything we killed for quite a few years. At one point i just decided I didn't want to eat meat anymore and haven't since. I definitely think it played a major role in me going plant based.
I did some minor home butchering of like big cuts into small cuts, parting up mostly whole poultry, and the like. The turning point for me was a whole (as whole as the FDA will let be sold) duck.
was what really put it together for me. I wholeheartedly agree that people who eat meat should butcher it themselves and think about the anatomical similarities to their own body.CW butchering
Cutting off the feet and head, sawing through the spinal cord, having a face looking at me all the while
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I had a friend that wanted to go hunting with me, he could not handle the stripping portion. Convinced him to at least go vegetarian if he can't do it himself. Really puts it in perspective to people when they aren't so far removed from the reality
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basically if you eat meat and don't commit to doing the psycho zuckerberg thing of cutting up a deer you murdered live on camera you're a coward (unironically)
Jesus fuck, the way a chicken twitches after it's been killed will haunt me forever.
When I was a little one, my dad decided to raise a bunch of broiler chickens to fatten up for Christmas. IDK if others have experienced this, but there's a nauseating smell about a dying animal that seems to linger even when the blood's been washed away.
Yeah, there sure is. I'd forgotten about that smell until I read your comment. But reading it, well, I was transported back to being like 8 years old and watching my dad kill and pluck chickens. That awful smell, horrific. The smells of animal agriculture are impossible to explain to someone who's never been around them. The burning smell from branding cattle has stuck with me all these years too. And the awful fake milk formula shit that gets fed to baby dairy cows in their tiny, solitary hutches. I should have gone vegan years before I actually did, but carnism is so damn normalized in our society that it was easier to just pretend those awful smells weren't so bad, or that the baby dairy cows were "gross" and so "deserved it". Fuck I'm glad 
did we stop doing dissection in biology class?
To be fair, I couldn't stomach producing many things I consume or use. Though personally the meat one is fine.
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