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submitted 11 months ago by TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world to c/canada@lemmy.ca

Polydoros, 27, says he feels safer in Canada. But nationwide protests in September over LGBTQ-inclusive school policies disturbed him.

Many demonstrations were held under the same name, "1 Million March 4 Kids." Organizers say children should not be taught about LGBTQ identities in school, which they say amounts to the "indoctrination and sexualization" of children.

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[-] Entropy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 41 points 11 months ago

If they're looking for large groups who want to "indoctrinate and sexualize" children, they need look no further than the church

[-] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Not convenient RE: the (minority) they want to target.

They'll keep hating what the rich tell them to hate; all we can do is bullwark against it.

[-] SamuelRJankis@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

A few weeks ago there was a post on how much gambling advertising is in Sports these days. I looked on the numbers on Canadian gambling addiction and it certainly seems to be much more widespread.

Don't really think I've really seen any of them complain about that. They just seem have a really unhealthy infatuation about sex.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Does anyone know when being religious stopped being gay?

I’ve talked to people my age all over Ontario and we just assumed it was the kids not being intolerant anymore but it seems weird for them to be enemies

[-] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

Does anyone know when being religious stopped being gay?

Most popular religions seem to be anti-gay, so I don't really know what you are trying to ask.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 11 months ago

20 years ago gay was an insult

If people at school found out you went to church or believed in god then you’d get beaten up/be an outcast

[-] Entropy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Bro what are you talking about. Christians have been the majority forever. Not believing in God makes you the outlier, not the other way around.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 11 months ago

Did you not grow up in Ontario?

[-] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

I think it was closer to 25 year, maybe even 30 years in some parts. I remember people beginning to realize how bigoted it was to use gay as an insult prior to gay marriage being legalized in 2005.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

20 years would have been before 2005 but Harper got elected the first time on the promise of making it illegal again so it didn’t go away after that

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Canada is just America but with "polite" added before every descriptor. In fact, that makes it even worse because polite bigots don't face any repercussions for their bigotry so can fester and become way more vile than the openly bigoted Americans who would lose friends over it.

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

Maybe it depends on where you live, but I've told off a few people I've worked with over the years when they said something awful. Only 1 got really defensive and angry about it, the others were just older guys who needed a reminder to change their vocabulary and were apologetic.

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

That's just it. "Change their vocabulary" None of the underlying racism gets challenged, it just goes on the down low.

[-] velxundussa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

I know what you're saying, but sometimes it is just the vocabulary.

I remember a conversation with an older woman remembering fondly going dancing with her gay friends.

The words she were using would be considered slurs today (even if a bit dated) but they were not meant maliciously.

It's easy to assume bad intentions, but it does happen that it's just someone that's not informed of the current "correct" vocabulary, and that's okay as long as it's addressed.

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's been my experience that for every 1 genuine mistake there's like 20 people who just don't do it around you. I take a noninterventionist and moral neutrality stance when interfacing with people, and you wouldn't believe how many people think that means they have carte blanche to drop all kinds of slurs around me in private when they think nobody else is listening because they think my lack of pushback is because I agree with what they're saying, not that I vehemently disagree but would rather they be open about their vile views than just mask them up.

Listening then pointing out contradictions in their reasoning goes a lot more to actually tackle the racism than telling them to shut up does.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Aden Polydoros spent more than a decade living in Arizona as a transgender man until, he says, a transphobic experience in the summer of 2022 prompted him to move to Canada.

They see allegations of "indoctrination" as thinly veiled transphobia, in part because they echo homophobic arguments used in past decades against lesbians and gay men.

And, now, with restrictive national legislation being tabled on topics like gender-affirming care, transgender people in the military and teaching about gender identity in schools, Reed says more Americans may look for refuge abroad.

While the protests are largely focused on education — because of the alleged peril to children — advocates say they contribute to a broader feeling that transphobia in Canada is becoming more prominent.

Kimberly Shappley's family fled Texas for Connecticut in 2022, after the state governor signed an executive order that would prosecute parents of trans children for abuse if they affirmed the child's gender.

She's considered Ireland and New Zealand, but it's an expensive move to make for a single mother — and advocates say there are no guarantees transgender rights will continue to be protected.


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[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago

As bad as it sounds when times get tough they stop caring about others issues and more on their own. And also look for scale goats.

[-] minibyte@sh.itjust.works -5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

From Arizona to Canada – so they just blew right past Vegas, huh?

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