Why if we see fork, snap always the problem : Canonical LXD forked... (news.ycombinator.com)

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"Canonical only having snap releases was harmful to adoption. I liked using lxd, but uninstalled snapd (forgetting lxd used it), and my vms obviously stopped. Snap wouldn't reinstall properly (various inscrutable errors), so I moved it all over to libvirt. I'd still be happily using lxd if it weren't for Canonical's snap-pushing. That's my anecdote of one."

-mkj

(I'm not mkj so..., but I think most users are quite against enforcement of snapd)

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[+] neuromancer@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

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[-] 4am@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Snap seemed like a cool idea until I tried it

[-] Rhabuko@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

It still has the most software support for causal users if you don't want to go the Arch route and trust the AUR. But I think this will change with the rise of Immutable Distros, that will become the standard for people who just want a stable system that works + Flatpaks.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

It still has the most software support for causal users if you don’t want to go the Arch route and trust the AUR.

What software do you think casuals use these days? The casual home user wants Chrome and literally nothing more. That's how they can consume YouTube, Spotify, pirate movie streams, and web games. In the last 20 or so years the average PC user has been gradually become more and more computer illiterate. If you are a PC gamer who actually installs games to the hard drive, you're way above the average already.

[-] Rhabuko@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

With causal user, I mean someone who hasn't a deep understanding of their OS and not someone who only does the most basic stuff. Maybe wrong choice of words. Causual users like you described are a dying minority since Smartphones and tablets are enough for the most basic tasks these days.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Vendor and community support too. It's a significant reason why it's often the second OS option at corps after Windows.

[-] TCB13@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Even better, Debian 12 comes with LXD on the repository.

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

It’s been a while since I’ve used Ubuntu. What happened?

[-] jayandp@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

Forcing Snaps, and requiring all official Ubuntu flavors to remove Flatpak support out of the box. You can still install Flatpak support afterwards, but it continues to rub the Linux community the wrong way.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

This might shed some light.

[-] 4am@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, Linux users have always had a blind spot for dependency hell when talking about freedom of choice.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

I think it affects a sliver of the community that lies above the complete novice, but not quite technically adept. The place that gives you a feeling that you have knowledge but you haven't reached the level where you understand how much you don't know. I think that's the place which breeds this sort of sentiment we see around this issue.

[-] neuromancer@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They want Ubuntu users to use snap, which unsurprisingly isn't very popular.

One of the main arguments for picking Ubuntu over Debian was the installation process, but Debian made the installation process much easier, by allowing non-free firmware.

Ubuntu got worse, and Debian got better, anyone unhappy with Ubuntu should just switch to Debian with Gnome and the problem is largely solved.

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Also debian used to have ancient packages, or broken ones in testing. Now stable is fairly up to date so Ubuntu lost its value, it was just a newer stable really.

[-] RoboRay@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

There's also LMDE as an option.

[-] gabriele97@lemmy.g97.top 5 points 1 year ago

Snap mainly, at least for me

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 year ago

Much ado about nothing.

[-] CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

True. I installed this OS, deleted a random component without any dependency analysis and it broke. Plz help.

[-] NaoPb@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

I removed the snap version of firefox as soon as snap started whining it couldn't update because I was using firefox. And it even seems to start a little faster now that it's installed through a ppa.

[-] nicman24@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

yeah had same issues and moved to libvirtd and virtiofsd

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 year ago

I like snap.

[-] MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

So sorry to hear that.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

It's alright. I soothe myself with trivial release upgrades.

[-] unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Having multiple release channels is amazing

[-] ryannathans@lemmy.fmhy.net -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yay more work for devs

[-] unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago

I would prefer to have multiple channels so people can test upcoming builds of my software for bugs. It would just be a matter of changing the ci/cd that alot of projects have now to publish in different places depending on the git branch

[-] ryannathans@lemmy.fmhy.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Flatpaks already work everywhere including on canonical's OSes, snaps don't work in containerised systems due to nesting

The biggest betefit of flatpaks was no longer having to package your software multiple times, so we don't publish snaps for the open source projects I maintain

[-] garam@lemmy.my.id 1 points 1 year ago

Seems it's wrong in the end... :/

[-] StarkillerX42@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago

How Canonical seems to keep doubling down on snaps despite large push back from the community reminds me of Reddit's API change. I didn't see an end in sight, which is what pushed me to Fedora.

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