Why if we see fork, snap always the problem : Canonical LXD forked... (news.ycombinator.com)

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"Canonical only having snap releases was harmful to adoption. I liked using lxd, but uninstalled snapd (forgetting lxd used it), and my vms obviously stopped. Snap wouldn't reinstall properly (various inscrutable errors), so I moved it all over to libvirt. I'd still be happily using lxd if it weren't for Canonical's snap-pushing. That's my anecdote of one."

-mkj

(I'm not mkj so..., but I think most users are quite against enforcement of snapd)

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[+] neuromancer@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago

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[-] 4am@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Snap seemed like a cool idea until I tried it

[-] Rhabuko@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago

It still has the most software support for causal users if you don't want to go the Arch route and trust the AUR. But I think this will change with the rise of Immutable Distros, that will become the standard for people who just want a stable system that works + Flatpaks.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

It still has the most software support for causal users if you don’t want to go the Arch route and trust the AUR.

What software do you think casuals use these days? The casual home user wants Chrome and literally nothing more. That's how they can consume YouTube, Spotify, pirate movie streams, and web games. In the last 20 or so years the average PC user has been gradually become more and more computer illiterate. If you are a PC gamer who actually installs games to the hard drive, you're way above the average already.

[-] Rhabuko@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

With causal user, I mean someone who hasn't a deep understanding of their OS and not someone who only does the most basic stuff. Maybe wrong choice of words. Causual users like you described are a dying minority since Smartphones and tablets are enough for the most basic tasks these days.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Vendor and community support too. It's a significant reason why it's often the second OS option at corps after Windows.

[-] TCB13@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Even better, Debian 12 comes with LXD on the repository.

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

It’s been a while since I’ve used Ubuntu. What happened?

[-] jayandp@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago

Forcing Snaps, and requiring all official Ubuntu flavors to remove Flatpak support out of the box. You can still install Flatpak support afterwards, but it continues to rub the Linux community the wrong way.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

This might shed some light.

[-] 4am@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah, Linux users have always had a blind spot for dependency hell when talking about freedom of choice.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

I think it affects a sliver of the community that lies above the complete novice, but not quite technically adept. The place that gives you a feeling that you have knowledge but you haven't reached the level where you understand how much you don't know. I think that's the place which breeds this sort of sentiment we see around this issue.

[-] neuromancer@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They want Ubuntu users to use snap, which unsurprisingly isn't very popular.

One of the main arguments for picking Ubuntu over Debian was the installation process, but Debian made the installation process much easier, by allowing non-free firmware.

Ubuntu got worse, and Debian got better, anyone unhappy with Ubuntu should just switch to Debian with Gnome and the problem is largely solved.

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Also debian used to have ancient packages, or broken ones in testing. Now stable is fairly up to date so Ubuntu lost its value, it was just a newer stable really.

[-] RoboRay@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

There's also LMDE as an option.

[-] gabriele97@lemmy.g97.top 5 points 2 years ago

Snap mainly, at least for me

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca -4 points 2 years ago

Much ado about nothing.

[-] CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

True. I installed this OS, deleted a random component without any dependency analysis and it broke. Plz help.

[-] NaoPb@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago

I removed the snap version of firefox as soon as snap started whining it couldn't update because I was using firefox. And it even seems to start a little faster now that it's installed through a ppa.

[-] nicman24@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

yeah had same issues and moved to libvirtd and virtiofsd

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca -4 points 2 years ago

I like snap.

[-] MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 years ago

So sorry to hear that.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

It's alright. I soothe myself with trivial release upgrades.

[-] garam@lemmy.my.id 1 points 2 years ago

Seems it's wrong in the end... :/

[-] StarkillerX42@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago

How Canonical seems to keep doubling down on snaps despite large push back from the community reminds me of Reddit's API change. I didn't see an end in sight, which is what pushed me to Fedora.

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