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[-] funky_tomatoe@lemmygrad.ml 55 points 11 months ago

While I couldn't give less of a fuck about Venezuela taking Exxon oil, I feel like the US is going to use this as a pretense to do some kind of (military) intervention. Let's hope they decide that their resources are too tied up in Ukkkraine and Isn't real, although I doubt they'll miss an opportunity to meddle in South American affairs.

[-] Doubledee@hexbear.net 40 points 11 months ago

This has real 'opening narration for a season of Blowback' vibes.

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 37 points 11 months ago

Looking forward to there being an extreme amount of liberal concern for the freedoms of a country they didn’t know existed a week ago

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 11 months ago

Guyana is pretty small (800k population), giving them weapons and military training wont be expensive. Still i think they will directly intervene, this may be a very important region.

[-] trabpukcip@hexbear.net 42 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I guess from an international point of view, America is not in an advantageous position to stop him. Unpopular president, stagnant economy being sucked dry by 20 years of sustained warfare including funding two current ones with declining popular support for both. Maduro hoping he can sneak one under the radar. Good luck

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[-] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 11 months ago

Slava Guyana gang where you at

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 42 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

During preparations they noticed the population of Guyana is mostly of Indian and African descent andkicked in.

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 39 points 11 months ago

Just took me back to the opening of the Ukraine war with CNN talking heads going “this isn’t some mud hole in the Middle East, these people look like us!”

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago

Bleak to think that the line back then was "the first war this century between civillized countries" which was already racist as fuck, and since that time we've regressed to "Russia is orc"

[-] supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 11 months ago

Correction; "relatively look like us" lol.

[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago

There has been no official report of mobilization. As another user said, Venezuela is going to administer the land as if it were its own. This would force Guyana to respond militarily, which it cannot do, or to go to the international court to resolve the issue.

[-] DeDollarization@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 11 months ago

Yes. But that doesn't stop nazi imperialist media from spreading lies nor does it stop "leftists" from uncritically sharing the fake news.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Deprogram thread already is full of westolefto going liberal.

EDIT: to be fair, hexbear is also lacking.

[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 11 months ago

The exxon-mobil left is out in force today.

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[-] funky_tomatoe@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 11 months ago

Any sources where I could read up o this?

[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 16 points 11 months ago

Telesur

There are some other news outlets but they are mostly in spanish and some in portuguese (if you want to read about Brazil)

[-] DeDollarization@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Follow Telesur and Orinoco Tribune

Edit: both based out of Caracas

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[-] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago

why is venezuela doing this? i know nothing about guayana (or venezuela really)

Death to America

[-] sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml 42 points 11 months ago

Esequibo is a region that used to belong to Venezuela, when Guyana was under British rule they stole it, they have been reclaiming it for as long as they exist under different circumstances but always the imperial powers denied it and kept it there. Recently it was discovered that Esequibo holds the biggest oil reserves in the world, so reclaiming them has become even more important. It is the Venezuelans' Malvinas.

[-] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago

thank you for the explanation :07: death to imperialism

Death to America

[-] Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 11 months ago

I posted a summary here.

https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/3190900

The narrative is far beyond “imperialist Venezuela”. Exxon is claiming oil reserves within Venezuelan maritime borders, its neighbour is an American puppet regime, and America is looking to establish a military base right next door.

Last but not least, Venezuela is being forced to accept opaque “electoral reforms” in return for an easing of sanctions.

[-] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 11 months ago

The dominos are falling faster than anticipated. The US is loosing control.

[-] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 11 months ago

It will be interesting to see how China responds to this, after they recently elevated their relationship to an 'all-weather strategic partnership' (only DPRK is higher, iirc):

"China has always viewed its relations with Venezuela from a strategic and long-term perspective, and firmly supports Venezuela's efforts to safeguard national sovereignty, national dignity and social stability, as well as Venezuela's just cause of opposing external interference," Xi told Maduro.

"The establishment of an all-weather strategic partnership between China and Venezuela meets the common expectations of the two peoples and conforms to the general trend of historical development," Xi said, calling on the two sides to push for more fruitful China-Venezuela strategic cooperation, bring more benefits to the two peoples and inject more positive energy into world peace and development.

Doesn't seem to involve military support but I can't see China getting so close with Venezuela only to let the US take over.

[-] sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 11 months ago

China will do nothing, as they always do, that is probably by far on their number 1 list of things to adhere, non interference. Specially considering Venezuela is taking territory and it's not the other way round.

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[-] lorty@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 11 months ago

Bold move, hope it works out.

[-] ComradeChopin@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 11 months ago
[-] Kirbywithwhip1987@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 11 months ago

Full support to Venezuela as always! 🇻🇪

[-] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 11 months ago

While I support Venezuela's claim and am not against annexation, I feel like fighting a war in a jungle area is very hard to do. Hopefully it's a quick war, if they decide to invade.

[-] DeDollarization@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 11 months ago
[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 11 months ago

Yet, i can assure you that the US wont let it slide. The southcom generals have been drooling about this regions resources.

https://youtu.be/T7CX7cn31xA?si=AaIn04Q5bsKZ2JH1

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[-] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 11 months ago

Do you think Guyana will simply lay down and let this happen? War is the logical end conclusion of this.

[-] FamousPlan101@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

With a population of 804,567 and an active "army" of 4600 active personnel and 3000 reserves (2 brigades)

Compared to a country with a population of 28.2 million with an army of 115,000

Even if they conscript 1% of their population (in the short term) that's only another 2 brigades

Do you think their society will have the morale to fight as though the US invaded them with a Latin American neighbour? To me it seems that the many leftists in Guyana would be apathetic.

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 16 points 11 months ago

This has too many Belize vibes. I'm giving Maduro the benefit of the doubt because he's not a dumbfuck fascist like our Presidents are. He needs to be careful about this.

[-] Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm not educated nearly enough on this particular matter to have an informed opinion on it.

But I will say that, even though communists support Venezuela's sovereignty and their struggle against Western imperialism, I feel like a lot of communists forget that Venezuela is not a communist country and that Maduro is not a communist. In fact, the relationship between the communists of Venezuela and Venezuelan leadership has been deteriorating pretty heavily over the past decade. The left shouldn't expect the ruling party of Venezuela to behave like a principled communist party and not be too surprised if they end up violating the sovereignty of another country for their own national interests.

I know no one is seriously claiming Maduro (and by some extention Chavez) is a communist, but he does seem to get romanticized as if he were one.

Sorry if this feels unrelated, so take this comment as just a side-note.

[-] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 11 months ago

I've read the allegations that Venezuela has been cracking down on the Communist Party, and while I don't have the full context, it seems that the the communist party deserves it, because it increasingly sides with pro-Amerikkkan imperialists and peddles Amerikkkan colonialist propaganda, and is sabotaging the Venezuelan state.

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[-] Melina@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

The communist party of Venezuela is revisionist, Maduro is a strict Stalinist I keep having to remind people of this fact…

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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 12 points 11 months ago

I think Brazil will de-escalate the situation.

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[-] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 10 points 11 months ago

Hmmm... Seems bad.

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