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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by tree@lemmy.zip to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml

content warning: involving discussion of rape/sexual assault although as the title implies, there is no convincing evidence that any of this has actually occurred.

note: and I promise you person about to link something, it's not convincing evidence, I read a lot of news including mainstream news, there is none as of the time I am posting this and if you believe some of the lurid, unsubstantiated (and frankly racist) atrocity propaganda fantasies spun up then propogated by the BBC among other outlers, I have a bridge to sell you.

The lack of any evidence of "mass rape" perpetrated by Hamas members on October 7 hasn't stopped Israel from weaponizing these accusations to legitimize its genocide of Palestinians in Gaza.

and the closing paragraph

But it extends further than that. The reliance on lazy Orientalist caricatures of Arab men as savage sexual predators is both cunning and destructive. The implication that brutality and sexual depravity are intrinsic characteristics of Arab men and Arab people suggests that Palestinians are, inherently and irredeemably, an evil race, and their total annihilation, therefore, is justifiable. Manufacturing consent for a genocide works only when the genocide of a people is not regarded as a loss, and the eradication of their culture, their history, and their humanity is an act that renders the world a better place. The stigmatization and dehumanization of indigenous men and men of color is not new. It is an agenda that is all too familiar, and we must resist it.

read more: https://mondoweiss.net/2023/12/despite-lack-of-evidence-allegations-of-hamas-mass-rape-are-fueling-israeli-genocide-in-gaza/

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[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Sexual violence as a tool of war has always happened and probably will always happen as long as wars exist. Pick a war, pick any side, they use sexual violence.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2631054/

I’m not defending anyone doing this, I think it’s heinous, but it’s incredibly common, which is my main point.

[-] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 10 months ago

Your point is 100% valid. All wars use rape as a terrorist tactic, male or female. Did Hamas use rape against others? I would bet everything I own that they did. Should Israel use that to continue the genocide against the Palestinian people? No! Should Israel use that to information to justify killing a 100 civilians to 1 Hamas terrorists? No!

[-] OurTragicUniverse@kbin.social 24 points 10 months ago

I wonder if the 'proof' is going to be another 'intercepted phone call', with two obviously IDF soldiers speaking broken arabic with heavy isreali accents?
Do you think they'll call each other Sunday and Monday to keep the bit going?

[-] idiocracy@lemmy.zip -2 points 10 months ago

fun game for u lemmy - swap the context of phone call and flat earth and u get flat earthers

[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

They keep saying rape and babies beheaded and hostages killing.

Let's assume all is true, does that justifies bombing hospitals, schools, and stopping water and food along with 24H bombing on a 2 million person mostly under the age of 20?

The answer is no...

[-] Tosti@feddit.nl 5 points 10 months ago

Thank you, I felt like I was taking crazy pills for thinking this.

[-] BellaDonna@mujico.org 2 points 10 months ago

The goal is to generate outrage, and then use the anger to justify retaliation. I agree with you completely, you don't commit further atrocities over alleged or even prior atrocities.

[-] totallynotarobot@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Rape is always used in war, and always used as an excuse for escalation, and never really cared about by the men in power.

The question shouldn't be whether rape is happening; it should be what kind of scum cynically uses that as an excuse to bomb shit harder when they don't give a fuck about actual rape victims?

[-] ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 10 months ago

The question shouldn’t be whether rape is happening

Excuse me? We absolutely SHOULD question whether rape is happening.

This "that's just how war is " kind of narrative needs to go, there is no laws of physics that force armies to commit rape or any voluntary attack against civilians for that matter.

That's not useful, that's not helpful, that's not smart, that's not having a "nuanced understanding", that's cynical minimization of unwarranted violence and horrible crimes against civilians.

It shift the blame of warcrimes on a cynical and frankly halfassed "that's just how it is" kind of "explanation" and minimise the responsibility of the culprit.

You can't just say that both sides of a conflict always do this and handwave it as if it was some kind of universal law, if you want to claim that, you need to prove it.

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