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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by nix@merv.news to c/technology@lemmy.world

It will be open source, end to end encrypted using Signal’s double ratchet encryption protocol, and he plans to make it easy for fediverse platforms to integrate it. The beta will release later this month.

He’s also the creator of https://fedidb.org btw

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[-] ren@lemmy.world 248 points 1 year ago

While I doubt I could get my friends and family on yet ANOTHER messaging app in the year of our lord 2023.

Sup. Is a fucking brilliant name.

[-] Annoyed_Crabby 58 points 1 year ago

Could be a fantastic way to replace dm, that's my first thought.

[-] Magiwarriorx@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I remember idly wondering how DMs worked in Lemmy, and I was kinda shocked when I realized they aren't secure.

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[-] weedazz@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

Double rachet encryption protocol is also rather dope

[-] garretble@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I personally hate the name, but only because I had a roommate in college who would start every conversation with “sup.”

On text messages, IMs, in person, you name it. It really started to get under my skin.

But I hope the software is good.

[-] TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

So, you're playing a little Playstation, huh? That's whack. Playstation is whack. 'Sup with the whack Playstation, 'sup?

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[-] Jackthelad@lemmy.world 110 points 1 year ago

I just saw this on Mastodon and was about to post it here. 😄

Pretty cool idea. Though I'm not looking forward to trying to convince my friends to switch to yet another new platform. 😂

[-] nix@merv.news 92 points 1 year ago

Im mainly looking forward to it replacing the “DMs” of mastodon and lemmy.

[-] Jackthelad@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

I've not been on either platform long enough to use the DMs, but this is a good point.

After all, DMs aren't actually private on either platform, as far as I'm aware.

[-] sab@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago

If they're not end to end encrypted, your messages are not actually private on any platform.

It's a bit more obvious in the Fediverse than elsewhere, as direct messages are generally stored on two separate servers (sender and receiver). Furthermore each server tends to be smaller: if Zuckerberg decides to go through people's DMs it's unlikely to affect any particular Facebook user, but if the owner of a Mastodon instance does the same it's small enough that she could actually get an overview. It's mostly a false sense of security embedded in larger services, but people are all about having a false sense of security.

[-] outdated_belated@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Like anything, depends on the threat model. Private from your little sister? Probably. Private from your boss, at least in the next few months prior to them being leaked? Also probably. Private enough?

That's to some extent a question that can only be answered individually, as everyone's threat models differ. I suppose this fact (everyone having differing threat models) is one of the reasons that so many arguments occur over security.

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[-] OverfedRaccoon@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Yep. That was my first thought - how everyone says to use Matrix rather than Lemmy DMs for anything sensitive. This will be fantastic.

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[-] an0nym0us@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago
[-] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 37 points 1 year ago

It really is. In the past a new messenger or Plattform was always annoying as it inevitable meant, how can I get my friends to use this. But with activity pub it doesn’t matter anymore. Everbody can use the fediverse software of his taste and we can still all be interconnected. What a relieve. So many software solutions can compete against each other without us having always to start from zero. Brave new world.

[-] Nikokin@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

Makes more sense as matrix client than ActivityPub

[-] Gnubyte@lemdit.com 21 points 1 year ago

Oh god matrix is such a bitch to handle and deal with, laggy and just in need of so much work. I'll be so happy to have an alternative.

I used it and hosted it for months with friends and family and we all got locked out due to bugs and had neighboring federated servers that wouldn't connect.

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[-] tev@pawb.social 35 points 1 year ago

this rocks actually. I've kinda wanted this for a while

[-] PineapplePartisan@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

I’m not leaving Signal until someone implements keeping data at rest encrypted on both ends and requires multi factor unlock (bio+pin is my choice).

So sick of E2E clients that leave the data in plaintext on the devices and then back it up in plaintext to the cloud.

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[-] randint@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago

Your link, https://mastodon.social/@dansup/110836811082599292%20sup.%20is%20an%20open%20source%20encrypted%20fediverse%20instant%20messenger,%20similar%20to%20whatsapp,%20made%20by%20pixelfed.%20%20The%20beta%20will%20be%20launching%20later%20this%20month,%20and%20btw%20most%20fediverse%20accounts%20will%20work,%20not%20just%20Pixelfed%20%F0%9F%98%89 is broken. I think you accidentally copied the body text as well. Cleaning up the link results in https://mastodon.social/@dansup/110836811082599292, which works fine.

[-] nix@merv.news 9 points 1 year ago

Thanks, fixed.

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[-] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 1 year ago

Desktop fscking client, please. Not electron based would be nice, yes? QT is good.

ICQ-style or old Skype-style user directory would be wonderful too. VoIP is not something I'd care about, file transfers are.

This is cool.

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[-] zitronen@feddit.de 25 points 1 year ago

I wonder, what 'works with the fediverse ' could mean for a messenger and what could be features not already implemented by different messengers, like elements or the very signal.

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[-] NeonPayload@infosec.pub 24 points 1 year ago

I'm not a fan of Pixelfed, or instaclones. But the idea of a messenger e2ee that works with all the fedi is such a awesome idea.

[-] witten@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Why are you not a fan? I'm genuinely curious, as I'm vaguely evaluating such software.

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[-] blunderworld@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Great news that it will work across the fediverse. I'd love to try pixelfed for example, but its got too much of a walled garden thing going on since nobody I know uses it.

[-] Polar@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

I just uninstalled Pixelfed. Mostly because the app is absolutely garbage on Android, and the developer made it look like an iOS app.

The app is just so dead. I'm happy to revisit later, but as for now I'll stick with posting my stuff on Mastodon and Lemmy.

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[-] notenoughbutter@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago

so this is basically fb messenger but it works with twitter, YouTube and reddit (their federated alternatives mastodon peertube lemmy) and is e2ee!

super cool!

[-] llama_spit@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

How is this different than something like Matrix? I'm probably just not understanding something...

[-] NeonWoofGenesis@l.henlo.fi 19 points 1 year ago

This is meant to work with the ActivityPub fediverse ie. Mastodon, Lemmy, Kbin, Pixelfed etc. and you would be able to use your current lemmy.world account for messaging.

[-] waldyrious@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

But why is that such a great benefit? We already have a myriad accounts for different services/platforms; would this be merely a marginal improvement over the current situation?

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[-] cbarrick@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago
  1. Will it support MLS? (I still don't quite know the relationship between Double Ratchet and MLS)

  2. Why not Matrix?

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[-] mojo@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

I want this at the ActivityPub level, for direct/group messaging at least.

[-] downdaemon@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

AP isn't really meant for real-time communication

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[-] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago
[-] Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Presumably because currently, activitypub doesn't have a module for secure message exchange that can't be snooped on by a server admin.

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[-] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Because fedi is going to take away all Meta/Facebook's proprietary toys, WhatsApp included.

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[-] HR_Pufnstuf@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago
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[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago

Theres reasons to pm stuff. Some used it on reddit for stuff like exchanging adresses for trading tea, sweets, etc.

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