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Tesla Hackers Find ‘Unpatchable’ Jailbreak to Unlock Paid Features for Free::A group of security researchers claim to have found an "unpatchable" jailbreak for some Tesla vehicles, potentially unlocking in-car purchases

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[-] db2@sopuli.xyz 171 points 1 year ago

in-car purchases

That's an absolutely disgusting combination of words.

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 66 points 1 year ago

"It looks like you're trying to flee a wildfire. However, you have just run out of Elon X Points and are unable to continue driving. Please wait 5 hours for your Elon X Points to replenish. Can't wait? We'd like to offer you our once in a lifetime SpaceX Booster X bundle of 15,000 points for just $299.99!"

[-] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Only usable for current emergency. Once current emergency is abated, points expire.

[-] malloc@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

micro-transactions in video games and media was only a test. Now it's transitioning from the digital to physical world.

[-] symcal@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Man, at this point I just hope I don't see any lootboxes with limited time features in a car.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

Oh shit, once they invent some sort of LCD paint that allows your car to be a blank canvas... you know that shit is going to happen.

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[-] bappity@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

please enter your credit card details to upgrade your energy storage

[-] Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 1 year ago

Please drink a verification can.

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That unlimited monthly transit pass is looking pretty good right now.

(Speaking as someone who doesn't own a car and take public transportation everywhere.)

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Car armor, only $2.99!

[-] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 126 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This how people are gonna find out how bad of an idea to allow the manufacturer to have that much control over your car after purchase. Tesla will shut their cars off if they find them jail breaked.

Just like the guy that wasn't allowed to fix the cooling hose on the battery Tesla's only option was to replace it. A third party fixed it but he still had concerns that they would shut it off (citing safety) because he wouldn't buy a whole new battery after he fixed it. Also barring him from quick charge stations was another concern.

[-] jhulten@infosec.pub 56 points 1 year ago

Neo-feudalism at it's best. Make them pay the manufacturing costs but also make them rent the thing they paid for

[-] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

It’s where every industry is striving for. To continually get paid for something forever.

[-] jhulten@infosec.pub 5 points 1 year ago

We call them landlords until we call them compost.

[-] Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

“make them rent the things they paid for” makes my blood boil. Like paying for a Wi-Fi router each month even though after a year it’s all paid off, they’ll still just charge you for it, literally free money by the millions for them. Fuck you Comcast.

[-] JesusFistus@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

Tesla shutting off jailbreaked cars would be illegal in Europe at least

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago
  • jailbreak
  • disable all traffic from certain apps
  • add all tesla domains as 0.0.0.0 on /etc/hosts, just to be sure
  • ride off into the sunset
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[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Unless they find a legal workaround. They can probably do it, if they claim it makes the car unsafe.

OMIGOD please let us not have the right to repair conversation about fucking cars.

But this is probably where we are heading unfortunately.

[-] DokPsy@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

It's already been done on farm vehicles, why not cars

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Since it is a software lockout then we can have the software freedom conversation instead.

[-] art@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago

A car with features locked behind a paywall is a broken car. These hackers simply fixed the car.

[-] housepanther@lemmy.goblackcat.com 41 points 1 year ago

Nice!!!! That should piss off that petty tyrant old Musky.

[-] riesendulli@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 1 year ago

Insurance will gladly deny you in case of accidents containing your licensed and jailbroken device. Don’t buy this shit in the first place

[-] housepanther@lemmy.goblackcat.com 22 points 1 year ago

It would be incumbent on the insurance company to prove that you willfully circumvented the system. Given an accident serious enough, the Tesla's computer could be physically damaged to the point where no data could be retrieved.

[-] riesendulli@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 year ago

I’d bet they find a way to not pay out.

[-] noqturn@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Insurance is generally not in the business of breaking contracts. If they have a legitimate reason to not pay, they won’t, but they won’t screw you over just because they don’t feel like paying. The risk is too high

[-] halferect@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Ummm... Insurance companies are all about finding ways to not pay and breaking contracts. You think average Joe can spend millions going against insurance companies lawyers? And what risk? They can hold people in court until they break them or they die broke from fighting insurance companies. Hell, my mother's life insurance didn't wanna pay and we had to get a lawyer just to make them pay a pretty straight Forward insurance policy.

[-] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Insurances don’t want to lose in court but they will investigate and find reasons to deny a payout.

[-] Patius@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Insurance would have to prove the modification caused the accident by disabiling some safety mechanism.

Legally, software mods and hardware mods are no different, and people have been modifying their cars well before you could hack a seat heater on.

Modifying your car isn't a valid reason to yank coverage in most circumstances.

Even making your car faster isn't enough, assuming your mods are street legal.

[-] luthis@lemmy.nz 16 points 1 year ago

I heard a workmate call him Elongated Muskrat. I had to congratulate her.

[-] bloopernova@programming.dev 28 points 1 year ago

Ol' musky gonna be mad. He might call the jailbreakers pedos.

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[-] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago

Nooo, think about daddy Melon, our saviour and inventor of all things! How is he going to save the world without his shitty car MTX?

I want to go to mars, rocket-travel to Central Park, I want to have full self driving next year, use a Tesla tunnel and not get stuck in traffic, and maybe travel in a can in near-full vacuum! Maybe use X as my bank, when he has enough money to pay for the rent of twitter building.

Pls think about all the inventions! Think about all the billions he could waste jerking his ego off by purchasing another community and turning it to shit!

My god people, don't sudo your cars and unlock features that are already installed, but disabled. Pls.

[-] MagneticFusion@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago
[-] Patius@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

BMWs have had this, to some extent, for a while. Bimmercode can do things like change sounds and enable software disabled features, like anti dazzle lights. (This is disabled because the NHTSA refuses to adopt ways for them to be easily tested in the US, despite their being approved for decades in Europe and a congressional mandate telling them to allow them on the roads, so every automaker has to disable them.)

No exploits needed.

[-] AnonymousBaba@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

i fucking hate capitalism so much

[-] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

Can it set the car into offline mode?

[-] ahriboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

Watch Dogs: Legion has inspired everyone to find exploits in the cars' systems.

[-] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago

Cool stuff.

As far as I know, the full self driving codebase doesn’t get delivered to an end-user unless they’ve paid for the feature and have been “approved” through some safe driving algorithm. This means we’re unlikely to see free FSD for all unless somebody manages to capture the firmware package and upload it.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Can we stop call it FSD, it's not. It's just assisted driving, and if I have to be monitoring the entire time, it's no more useful than cruise control.

[-] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

This issue is going to end up landing in front of the right-wing, pro-business Supreme Court, isn't it??

I can see it now. Tesla is going to write some software that detects this patch. They might not be able to stop it, but they can lock these cars out of the Supercharger network and potentially brick the cars. Buyers of these vehicles are going to sue Tesla. Probably go back and forth in the courts for a few years until it ultimately reaches the Supreme Court.

[-] Jeff@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

We will just jailbreaks and beta test everything until all of the FMD features promised by muskrat years ago come out of beta.

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