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[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago

That’s the whole point. Germans hate Arabs and want to transfer the Holocaust guilt onto them.

[-] taanegl@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

Do keep yourself warm with that blanket statement?

[-] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

This is a fact. They pretend Germany is "importing antisemitism", as if that needs importing. And somehow, someone that comes here, fleeing a genocide committed by Zionists, is clearly the real antisemite when they complain about it, because apparently no one could object to this treatment unless they hate Jews for no reason.

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

No, I keep myself warm with Ben Gurion quotes:

“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.” — David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

[-] DdCno1@beehaw.org -3 points 11 months ago

What an absurd and completely nonsensical accusation. Have you considered that Germany is, due to historic responsibility, far more likely to detect antisemitism and far less tolerant of it?

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

“There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

Don’t transfer your guilt onto us. Even David Ben Gurion knew we had nothing to do with German crimes.

[-] taanegl@beehaw.org 10 points 11 months ago

Germans are confused. They don't want to be anti-semitic, for obvious reasons, but at the same time are so detached they cannot see the parallels between how the nationalist nazi party and the current Isreali government.

We have secret police, kidnappings, separate prisons with own interrogation, civilians are tried as soldiers and they are literally performing pogroms to take over land.

The issue here is of course that a bunch of old dottering liberals are sitting behind the wheel, checking their turn signals and adjusting their glasses, incapable of seeing they just hit a deer. It doesn't hurt that they too probably believe Palestinians should just up and disappear, because it would be politically convenient.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


At the same time, Shammout, who runs a care home for elderly people in Lügde, west Germany, has become a conduit for information requested by her friends and colleagues seeking to understand the conflict.

The country’s political leaders have spoken repeatedly and without apparent hesitation about Germany’s Staatsräson, or reason of state, a principle that places support for Israel at the core of national identity.

But when this historical responsibility is used as an excuse for justifying massive human rights violations, for breaking international law, then it saddens and maddens me and I do not accept this so-called Staatsräson.”

Khalid wrote a commentary in the Berliner Zeitung arguing that the far right, in the ascendant in Germany notably in the form of the anti-immigrant Alternative für Deutschland (AfD), was far more likely to be behind antisemitic attacks than ordinary Muslims.

For Derviş Hızarcı, the chair of Kiga, a non-profit organisation set up to tackle antisemitism but which increasingly finds itself dealing with Islamophobia as well, the widely circulated speech “was good and helpful.

In November, before the introduction of a fragile truce in Gaza, participants in a pro-Palestinian demonstration met outside the chancellery in Berlin to demand an immediate ceasefire, a call rejected by the chancellor, Olaf Scholz.


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[-] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It shouldn't come as a surprise that Germans still are racist, genocide-supporting pieces-of-shit, particularly if you know what a joke denazification was. I should know, I grew up here.

The whole society is antisemitic, which is why they support Israel: The crypto-fascists can pretend not to be antisemitic by getting the all-clear by the "official" Jewish representative on earth, Israel, while at the same time secretly celebrating the fact that many Jews would rather go to Israel than return to Germany.

The rest, which like to think of themselves as not racist, have developed a fetish towards Jews and Israel. A kind of "positive" racism, in which Jews (assumed to be one and the same as Israel) are not held to the same standard as everybody else. They should be allowed to ethnically cleanse and have an apartheid-ethnostate because of how extra fragile they are. In a German's mind, all Jews are Zionists, they all deserve to steal land from Palestinians, and anyone who objects to this is clearly antisemitic, since that's basically what present-day Judaism is all about. They're not only playing into the hands of old-school antisemitism by insinuating that all Jews are, in fact, responsible for the horrific crimes of Israel: they're painting a total caricature of Jews and Judaism at the same time. They are, therefore, racists.

And then, of course, there's a the other racism: Islamophobia. Hating on Muslims is a perfectly normalized and widespread, even among "lefty" liberals. And to a German, a Palestinian is just another kind of Muslim, really.

[-] DdCno1@beehaw.org -2 points 11 months ago

That is the second most unhinged comment I've read here today. What complete nonsense. Literally every single thing you are saying is not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the actual truth.

[-] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

Oho, is that so? Have you looked at literally any comment section anywhere in the German-speaking internet (and I'm not just talking about conservative newspapers): There's a ton of shit that goes unmoderated and barely pushed back on, about how Islam is a barbaric religion, they're backwards culture is just incompatible with "our enlightenment values", they should assimilate or get out, and so on. People speak like this real life too, I'm like bio-German and people will say shit like that to me, and except me to agree with them. They're very surprised when they get pushback. Some quite openly, others sort of couched in some way so as not to appear too racist.

And that Germans have a super weird complex about Jews is 100% true. They're like a prop they get out whenever it's convenient, usually to make themselves look humble and reformed. Meanwhile, literally every politician is constantly proclaiming unconditional support for Israel as a "Jewish state", that has a "right to exist" and "right to defend itself", which actually means (though that's not usually spelled out explicitly) to have a Jewish ethnostate, to not let Palestinians return from the areas they were ethnically cleansed from, and to slaughter Palestinians for daring to fight back against what is actually an attack, and not in any way "defense". To deny any rights of Palestinians basically.

[-] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world -5 points 11 months ago

I have zero problems criticising the shitty Israeli government. There were mass protests by their own people for a lot of the same reasons as I have, so why would I?

I have to say tho, it's also not easy to ignore their point that they are not the ones using civilians as meat-shields and hospitals as military bases, which has been confirmed at least in one, very significant case.

The hard truth is that the situation is way past the point of a peaceful resolution. It's both parties fault and it's bad, but that's how it is. My only hope is that with international pressure (including Germany's btw.) the two-states solution will finally be seen through. Israel already stated they do not want to permanently occupy Gaza, so I guess that's a start.

I do judge them for not giving civilians more time to evacuate and not providing them with more supplies tho. With the amount of soldiers at their disposal this should totally be a possibility. If it isn't, they can ask others to help with that or something else.

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

“There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

[-] Count042@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

They absolutely have been using male Gazans as human shield, which is something the IDF as been doing since operation Cast Lead.

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