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submitted 10 months ago by btp@kbin.social to c/technology@lemmy.world

In one of the coolest and more outrageous repair stories in quite some time, three white-hat hackers helped a regional rail company in southwest Poland unbrick a train that had been artificially rendered inoperable by the train’s manufacturer after an independent maintenance company worked on it. The train’s manufacturer is now threatening to sue the hackers who were hired by the independent repair company to fix it.

After breaking trains simply because an independent repair shop had worked on them, NEWAG is now demanding that trains fixed by hackers be removed from service.

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[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 298 points 10 months ago

This story should be on every newspaper front page right below war correspondents.

[-] Lev_Astov@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago

Yeah, especially in the EU where apparently their laws regarding circumventing DRM might make the people who fixed this the bad guys instead of this comically evil manufacturer who put GPS kill switches on public passenger trains.

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[-] BloodSlut@lemmy.world 289 points 10 months ago

"We didn't add a kill switch to our trains to force the use of our maintenance service, but fuck the hackers that removed the kill switch we didn't implement, and the trains that were hacked and don't have the kill switch we didn't add should be removed from service."

[-] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 156 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Dear Reader,

Regarding your recent free and non-profitable un-fucking of our problem, please use the honor system and manually refuck yourself.

Love, Technology Companies.

[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 14 points 10 months ago

Someone's gonna figure out a horror movie for this called The Refucker

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[-] Jessvj93@lemmy.world 56 points 10 months ago

"And how dare those hackers go through all the trouble of finding those (literal) GPS coordinates of train maintenance centers not in our system to circumvent us getting more money."

[-] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 181 points 10 months ago

That's awesome. Man, fuck that company. Bricking a train? Outrageous.

[-] Bizarroland@kbin.social 85 points 10 months ago

Poland ought to ban that company from ever working or operating or selling any products inside of its country and any trains made by that company that are not currently owned by Poland should be prevented from traveling on the tracks that cross through Poland.

[-] SpookyUnderwear@eviltoast.org 35 points 10 months ago

This is the kind of government intervention I can get behind. This story is so outrageous, it's hard to believe it's true.

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[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 47 points 10 months ago

Run by fucking criminals. We should brick them like they're The Sticky Bandits

[-] AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social 13 points 10 months ago

Better to brick them like The Cask of Amontillado.

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[-] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 168 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The person is doing a talk about it in hamburg, germany (37c3) next week. Its on my to watch list because that sounds hella interresting.

Edit : 37c3 list of talks : https://halfnarp.events.ccc.de/#dec115da17562cebafa9ba7a150a4fc607c25c880c03593dcc8da6087c9441a4

[-] khannie@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago

That actually does sound hella interesting. I'm saving your comment to try to remember but actually look it up in about two years when I scroll back though my saved posts.

[-] pwalker@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 10 months ago

It's 37c3, but thx for the hint. The talk is called Breaking "DRM" in Polish trains by Redford, q3k, MrTick

I will try to watch it on stage, unfortunately still no final schedule available

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[-] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 107 points 10 months ago

Nowadays satire can never be as good as reality is.

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[-] Syo@kbin.social 91 points 10 months ago

Steam engine breaks, you can fix it.

Steam engine with digital circuit breaks, you're a hacker, a pirate. DRM was a mistake.

[-] Player2@sopuli.xyz 50 points 10 months ago

But how else could companies make more money off of something you already paid for? Will someone think of the shareholders‽

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[-] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 79 points 10 months ago

I wonder if they were taking notes from John Deere and the automotive industry or will it be the reverse here soon?

Just imagine all these vehicles that could be bricked for not going back to the stealerships for outrageous prices on parts and incompetent service.

Also the vehicles that could be disabled for not paying for device protection plan that allows your vehicle to operate safely. It would be a shame if your vehicle stopped working on your way to work or the hospital.

I suspect Tesla, BMW, and John Deere are the closest to this reality.

I sure hope the government doesn't help with another great cash for clunkers national program to get rid of more cars too old for these measures. Sure is a great way to drive new car sales though...

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

Oh don't count GM and a Ford out of it. They're already kicking android auto and Apple car to the curb so they can control more stuff and get access to more data. The savvier they get the closer that comes to reality.

Of course, by the end of our lives you won't own a car at all. You'll subscribe to a car company that will act like a hybrid ride share and rental program. Commutes will be on a rideshare basis and you'll be able to rent a car for a weekend road trip.

[-] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I just heard about GM this morning in my tech news. I didn't realize that about Ford too.

I've drawn a line in the sand with my vehicles at about 2011 for tech. I love tech and I love cars but just not into the current versions of everything being touch screen controls.

Give me knobs for climate controls, gear shifters, and gauges for the rest. They don't need all of these computer systems that fail or become outdated as soon as they are released like the manufacturer's nav systems. We also don't need them to stop working completely because a sensor failed and can only be replaced by the dealer.

My phone in a holder can be the smartest part of the car for me thanks.

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[-] roguetrick@kbin.social 78 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

SPS became desperate and Googled “Polish hackers” and came across a group called Dragon Sector, a reverse-engineering team made up of white hat hackers.

Hilarious. I hope 404 continues with this level of high quality journalism.

Dragon sector, who they hired, is a security capture the flag team.

https://dragonsector.pl/

Edit: Socials of those who worked on it

https://social.hackerspace.pl/@q3k
https://infosec.exchange/@mrtick
https://infosec.exchange/@redford

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

TIL that [security CTF](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_the_flag_(cybersecurity)) is

an exercise in which participants attempt to find text strings, called "flags", which are secretly hidden in purposefully-vulnerable programs or websites

Never heard of this and I may not be alone in that. Thanks for pointing this out.

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[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 64 points 10 months ago

The anti-circumvention clause is being abused for some years now, it's disgusting.

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[-] sanqueue@lemmy.world 64 points 10 months ago

This is good. Someone did that for printers too

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago

And American Weight (?) digital scales. The ones that brick themselves after 2,000 uses because how dare you only pay once.

[-] jucelc@lemmy.wtf 30 points 10 months ago

Lol. Always suspected there was a scam there, but every time I bring it up in a conversation - people just call me a conspiracy theorist.

This goes for pretty much everything though. Planned obsolescence is real, but people think it's just the natural way of things.

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[-] Ruscal@sh.itjust.works 63 points 10 months ago
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[-] Dio9sys@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 10 months ago

I like how, instead of recognizing that they got caught, now the train manufacturer is claiming this is some kind of dark PR strategy.

If it is, then please show the public that it's a dark PR strategy by explaining the hidden unlock codes and the DRM code!

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago

I hate this fucking planet.

[-] DuckOverload@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

I think this is pretty cool. Sure, capitalists are gonna capitalist, but here we have subversive moves in a positive direction.

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Oh yeah what the people did to get around this is fucking awesome I do love that side of this story don't get me wrong.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

If they required the trains to be serviced by manufacturer they should have written it into a mandatory service contract at time of sales.

[-] alphacyberranger@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago
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[-] btr_fan87@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Artificially bricked?! Who the hell keeps giving Viagra to trains? Evil bastards.

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[-] simin@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

the world's not one's to fix, learn to protect yourself.

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[-] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 13 points 10 months ago

Spewing bs about how they can't guarantee the safety and other outrageous shit pouring out their mouths as they provide clearly practiced lawyerspeak to squeeze money from public service into their owners pockets which will then be invested probably in war and killing children for profit.

But let's discuss ethics and shit! Fuck faces need to be brought to moral justice for the evil they commit every day of their brainwashed miserable hateful lives where they pretend to not harm people because they don't do it themselves but via money grabbing schemes. One day all of this shit will seem to be as stupid as hitting kids are these days

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