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[-] z3n0x@feddit.de 50 points 1 year ago
[-] unreachable@lemmy.my.id 12 points 1 year ago

furiously clicking non actionable button

[-] FoxBJK@midwest.social 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Never heard of marquee or blink, eh?

[-] noproblemmy@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago

And why did you feel the need to bring up those suppressed memories?

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[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 29 points 1 year ago

Wrong, annoying animations was Flash's thing. Javascript was made for annoying popups and alert boxes

[-] float@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

Also for these animated status line texts that were supposed to show what's being loaded currently.

[-] rothaine@beehaw.org 21 points 1 year ago

"Sometimes there is a better choice than JavaScript"

We call it TypeScript

[-] bjornp_@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

I heard they're looking to add typing to JavaScript in a very similar style as TypeScript. Basically running TypeScript in the browser without tsc.

There's at least a proposal which I hope they'll continue with.

[-] asyncrosaurus@programming.dev 17 points 1 year ago

I was there for the first wave of SPAs, I even learned angularJs and Knockout. It did feel like a major atep forward, being able to make highly interactive applications. However, things quickly went off the rails when the tools stopped being about managing heavy client state, and became the default for everything, even when it ment using JavaScript to build extremely basic functionally browsers did natively with html, but extremely worse(e.g. navigation). The modern Web really is a victim of hype and trends.

Unless your app needs to work offline, or you have to manage dozens of constantly changing client side data points concurrently, your site doesn't need to be a big heavy js framework. My rule is if it looks like Google Maps, you need a SPA. if it looks like Gmail you need REST/HATEOS. and if it looks like google's mainpage, you need a server side rendering.

At some point you might see the light, and go back to making your websites simpler, but Im not hopeful. Until then I'm building the majority of things with HTMX and alpineJs.

[-] fidodo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I make fully static sites using react

[-] AgentEnder@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I've personally been using react and vite-plugin-ssr to static render things and while there's been a few bumps it still feels pretty nice

[-] BobbyBandwidth@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago
[-] dis_honestfamiliar@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

That's JavaScript with extra steps.

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 14 points 1 year ago

Say that to the madlad who wrote a virtual machine in js that can boot Linux and Windows: https://bellard.org/jslinux/

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago

Something something he could, something he should

[-] Feyter@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago

I thought that's what GIF was created for... Even if the original introduction of it is saying something completely different.

[-] oxideseven@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Doing Odin Project now and the constant shiting on JS online is sort of crushing my motivation. 😫

[-] BrucePotality@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

Don’t worry about, JS is a fine language and is used by all of the top companies. If you want to get a job as a software developer you have decent odds if you learn JS

[-] FoxBJK@midwest.social 5 points 1 year ago

As someone currently job hunting - native JS isn’t enough anymore. Everyone wants React devs. I see some posts for Vue or Angilar and sometimes even TypeScript but the vast majority want React coders now.

[-] towerful@programming.dev 8 points 1 year ago

Very true.
If you are learning JavaScript, typescript is absolutely worth learning as well.
React and Vue have some additional paradigms, but it is basically just JavaScript/typescript.
It's a lot to learn all in one step.

I guess it's like trying to learn C# and Unity all in one

[-] garyyo@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

If you don't hate a programming language you simply haven't used it enough or are delusional. Every language sucks in its own special way, js ain't special.

[-] z3n0x@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

cue “if those kids could read they’d be very upset”

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[-] ursakhiin@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago

JS is fine. But as with any tool it's not the best for every scenario.

The flak JS tends to get us mostly because of the rise of popularity is Node.js leading to backend JavaScript beginning commonplace. which it's overall a poor choice for backend when compared to many other languages as the strengths that JS has are more tailored to frontend.

[-] HKayn@dormi.zone 11 points 1 year ago

Don't let it get to you. This is mostly just a circlejerk by people who don't even use JS themselves.

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[-] dukk@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago
[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 9 points 1 year ago

Huh, page displays nothing without js.

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[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 3 points 1 year ago

Like, not creating annoying animations.

[-] vox@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

css can do animations, and it's much more performant then js. I hate how over-used JavaScript is on "modern" websites.
some websites are even straight up unusable or don't display anything with js disabled....

[-] dukk@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

Some websites, JavaScript is necessary for doing things without overloading a server. Mostly SPAs/PWAs and such. I’m using Voyager for Lemmy right now, which needs JS, but it gives me a great experience.

But yeah, JS is often overused. Luckily, with new technologies coming out like Astro and HTMX, we should hopefully start seeing less JavaScript on pages that don’t need it.

[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 4 points 1 year ago

Still wayting for a native solution to AJAX.

No, not Java beans.

[-] vox@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

htmx just generates js too

[-] dukk@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

However, it uses a lot less JS. It’s only a few lines of JS to replace an HTML element, but a lot more to parse a bunch of JSON and then alter the HTML to reflect that.

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