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The CEO of PROTON answers YOUR questions! Drive, Linux support, Photos, features, and a lot more! (tilvids.com)

submitted 11 months ago by juli@programming.dev to c/linux@lemmy.ml

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[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 65 points 11 months ago

He seemed like a decent guy and that was enough for me to finally make the switch from Gmail to proton and buy prem.

[-] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 months ago

They have some shady (or at least questionable) enough actions in their past, some even covered by mainstream media, that made me dismiss them as an option. I went with the German hosted mailbox.org instead. Swiss law (where proton is hosted) is actually quite a bit less protective of privacy than EU/German law, or maybe just protected in other ways. The international reputation of privacy protecting character of Swiss law seems to be outdated?

Just to be clear, I can't remember exactly what the specific events were that caused me to reconsider back when I switched years ago. When I just did some quick (!) searches just now, I found statements that they would only record ip addresses in "extreme criminal cases", but examples include cases of trespassing and property damage. Not exactly child molesters and serial killers (example source). I also understand that the (Swiss) laws relevant to them probably forced them to, but at the very least that seems dishonest or misleading advertising.

[+] verysoft@kbin.social -29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Enjoy pop-up ads trying to sell you a subscription when you just want to view your inbox! The one bad thing about their service.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 49 points 11 months ago

I pay for the subscription and if I didn't I do not mind free services asking for money. If you are giving me a free service and not data mining me then you have every right to nag me.

Gmail litterally puts ads in your inbox that look like emails so I doubt any service is gonna be worse than that.

[-] JSens1998@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

Yeah, GMail literally pisses me off for that exact reason.

[-] derin@lemmy.beru.co 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They mentioned that they bought premium, so they won't be seeing ads. Edit: Multiple people below are telling me that purchasing premium does not remove all ads, so that's actually quite annoying.

As an aside, I really don't get the logic of using a service like e-mail and just expecting it to be free - it's very bizarre to me.

If it's something important to you (as I assume e-mail is), pay for it - or stop whining about ads/nagging pop-ups.

And if you can't pay for it, download Dovecot and try doing it yourself - it's a fun experience, and will make you appreciate the work done by email providers. Spoiler alert: it's a massive pain in the butt.

[-] verysoft@kbin.social 14 points 11 months ago

You get premium ads if you are on a plus subscription or a free account. Once you get premium though, then they start advertising the family pack to you!

[-] derin@lemmy.beru.co 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Hmm, guess I was wrong, then - that would be very annoying; especially if you're getting pop-ups for a family plan you won't ever be able to make use of as you're a solo user.

[-] subtext@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

My problem is that I only need to use the VPN, but I get pop ups all the time asking if I want to subscribe to their all in one plan or buy their black Friday deal. When all I want to do is connect to the VPN.

So yes, even when you subscribe you still get pop ups (and in their apps too so you can’t even use ublock origin to block them).

[-] derin@lemmy.beru.co 6 points 11 months ago

Ah, you're right - that is very annoying.

[-] juli@programming.dev 0 points 11 months ago

really? "Very" annoying? :D I see the ads as well but I only see ads for the higher tear and not really often. I wouldn't call it "very" annoying

[-] derin@lemmy.beru.co 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Sorry, I don't use proton mail. It sounds annoying, but please understand that I am not talking from the perspective of a person who uses the service and is directly affected by them.

[-] pathief@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

If you just use the VPN consider moving to Mullvad! I really loved their service but ended up moving to Proton because I use all their services.

[-] subtext@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I was on Mullvad before but moved to proton when Mullvad stopped offering port forwarding :/

[-] juli@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago

They did what?

Mullvad was working incredibly well with port forwarding. Thatbwas their selling point compared to proton. Wow 😅

[-] subtext@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah they ended forwarded ports on 2023-07-01. I was pretty sad when they did so and I had to move because I loved what they were doing and was extremely happy with my subscription.

[-] juli@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Doesn't sound too good tbo. Let's hope ipfs becomes more useable/accessible over the next years

[-] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago

Can confirm. If/when something happens to the VPS I'm hosting mine, I'll be moving to a fully managed solution. Probably cheaper, too.

[-] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 5 points 11 months ago

Gmail has far worse ads that crawl your inbox. A free service asking me to pay for hosting isn't the end of the world

[-] verysoft@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And the sewer is filled with literal shit, it doesn't make a complaint over a pop-up ad on a paid tier any less valid. Get ya whataboutism out of here!

[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

Then host it yourself, it's open source.

[-] teolan@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

The backend is not

[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

Well yeah, there are a bunch of FOSS mail back end frameworks you can use to integrate.

[-] teolan@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

But they don't support the same API. This is completely off topic.

[-] yum@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 11 months ago

Can it be blocked with uBlock Origin (on the web view)?

[-] SquigglyEmpire@lemmy.world 59 points 11 months ago

So many capital letters in that headline, it reads like my grandma trying to figure out texting.

[-] lily33@lemm.ee 19 points 11 months ago

Indeed, my first though was that these are not MY questions.

[-] Kory@lemmy.ml 37 points 11 months ago

Is there a text version of this interview?

[-] juli@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago

I don't know but I listened to it on a walk

[-] juli@programming.dev 10 points 11 months ago

It's an interesting and linux centric video about proton

[-] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 11 months ago

Any mirrors? Tilvids.com seems to be down.

[-] Azarova@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Dp7ght2fMR4

[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago

YouTube seems up

[+] RymdLord@beehaw.org -15 points 11 months ago

I'm very disappointed that there was no mention of adding Monero(XMR) for payment.

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 4 points 11 months ago

It's nearly an hour long and Nick said they only covered a portion of all questions.

[-] RymdLord@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

It's one of the most asked for features since 2018, and there isn't even a minute for it?

[-] SandbagTiara2816@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

Do you need to pay for your email provider with Monero? If it’s the VPN that you primarily care about, then I believe Mullvad accepts Monero

[-] RymdLord@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

If email is so important for privacy then why can't I pay for it in a privacy protecting way?

[-] SandbagTiara2816@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

I mean, I suppose that’s fair. I guess paying for email with Monero feels a bit like overkill to me, but it depends on your threat model

[-] RymdLord@beehaw.org 1 points 10 months ago

I reason it this way. If like they say in the video email is one of the most critical parts of privacy (I 100% agree with that) then why don't they support the only privacy currency? Also why pay for email well simple I both want the features that paying gives you but anything free either you are the product or others are indirectly paying for me. I want my email provider to not spy on me and sell my data so why not give my money to a provider that proves that they protect it? I chose Tuta.com instead of proton because of this. And to make it clear Tuta.com doesn't allow monero payments but their official reseller proxysto.re does allow monero! Also it's not hard to add monero as a payment option :)

this post was submitted on 22 Dec 2023

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