Seriously, couldn't they just extend the tube a bit so it overhangs the exhaust pipe???
The entire comment section seems to be missing this is assholedesign and offering the same shitty solutions without addressing the asshole design...
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No, this is not asshole design. If the oil port was sticking further out, it’s gets knocked off if you lay the bike down. And then you have no oil at all, and a blown up motor.
It’s by good design the oil port is recessed. Yes it’s annoying to use a funnel, but it’s the preferable option.
?? Oil port would only need to be extended by like 0.5" to clear that exhaust pipe, the casing to the left extends probably 1-2" from that. If you lay the bike down it that casing would stop the oil port from being touched. Shouldn't be an issue.
And the cap on the port extends another .5-1” when in place. Which means it’s sitting below the surface of the other things as is, but add .5” and it now becomes level with a few things. And level is by far enough for the cap to grab, twist and pull out. And when it does, you’re done riding for a while.
And instead of replacing the tip of the oil cap and the outer cases, you end up with a damaged block. Much more expensive.
A far better idea is to have a tool, admittedly not in every man’s possession, but tilt the bike away, remove the cap, and thread in. Tilt the bike back and you have a little spout. Clean, simple and easy. These are available for just about every manufacturers cap size and thread.
Honestly they sound like asshole engineers trying to justify their poor quality of work. Cardboard, tinfoil, and brake cleaner can’t excuse a poor design.
Does Lemmy have a “just rolled into the shop”? I would join instantly.
All this mess could have been prevented with a little bit of cardboard between the drain and the exhaust, you realise that I hope.
This is super common with motorcycles. The motor should be warm, but not ignite-the-oil hot during an oil change. Clean it up with some brake cleaner.
Use a piece of aluminum foil to make a little drain to direct the oil over the exhaust.
I know that's a solution, but as a solution to bad design it's a little bit "Just wear a rubber glove to stop your oven electrocuting you". Yeah sure, but maybe design it better?
Do you have any idea how much the manufacturer saved in not extending the pipe tho?
Because I have no clue. Probably wurf rite
What they actually probably saved was needing to design a whole separate engine case for each bike in their lineup to match all their exhaust configurations.
The idea of having a little pipe protruding out is a different kind of bad design. Things that poke out from engine cases tend to snag or get punched in during a crash, turning what would be some scrapes on the block into a completely totaled engine.
Next time just rotate the bike 90° so the oil drains straight out and misses the exhaust. Problem solved!
Alternatively redirecting gravity by 90° would also solve the problem, without the difficulty of needing to reposition the bite.
Oh fuck, it's so simple! Thanks man, this is the correct answer.
I bet the maintenance guide says to use a funnel or something ¯\(ツ)/¯
Nope.
Quote: yeah, let's blame the user for not fixing the manufacturer's shitty design
Doesn't help for this (or the next) oil change... But look into a fujimoto drain plug. Its a mini ball valve that is spring loaded (so you have to press the leaver up before you can turn it... Also has a 2nd safety in the form of a plastic clip that prevents it from being pressed up). Makes oil changes so easy. For your bike, it might still be too recessed, but the valve has a hose barb on it too so you can direct the oil into the drain pan
Fumoto, but yes.
I like the fumoto valves for another reason - if tou have an aluminum oil pan, the valve will keep you from wearing out the threads.
Well the problem with that is when you lay the bike down, the oil port gets shaved off and you lose all your oil. Don’t ask me how I know.
So yeah, it’s a PITA to use a funnel, but it’s still the preferable option.
Super duke is like this too I just put aluminum foil over the exhaust.
The engineering team that designed the engine never communicated with the engineering team that designed the motorcycle.
That would cost $0.76 more in materials per vehicle, unacceptable!
Problems such as these are usually a management failure. The design of individual components are often owned by a particular person or small group. They take responsibility for the design and testing. If one person owns the sump and another person owns the exhaust pipe, their work needs to be coordinated in such a way that the finished product meets all its goals. It wouldn't be a surprise to find out that the exhaust engineer had to re-route the pipe in order to resolve some other clash and they ran out of time to fix the new problem before mass production had to start. Making complex machinery is difficult.
It's most likely set back to keep it protected. A bit annoying but probably better than having it stick out and be exposed.
What kind of motor is this?
Keeps the exhaust pipe from rusting. /s
I'm not a motorbike person, but couldn't they sell a 50 cent plastic thingy you could screw on instead of the cap that would make it go into some container even?
That's just asshole design with extra asshole.
A lot of bad can be said about Harleys but I love that my 48 just has a little rubber hose with a plug in it to drain the oil.
What's the big deal just spray some degreaser on it then take it for a big rip
This is a community for designs specifically crafted to make the experience worse for the user. This can be due to greed, apathy, laziness or just downright scumbaggery.