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[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 256 points 11 months ago

I love that the main criticism is that this will cause the ultra wealthy to leave the state. That just seems like a reason to implement this nationwide rather than at the state level.

[-] Kalysta@lemmy.world 138 points 11 months ago

What, the people who buy elections are fleeing? Sign me up for that.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 73 points 11 months ago

I mean, an eroding tax base is a problem. I just think the solution is to drag them kicking and screaming to pay back into the system that enabled them to become so stinking rich rather than chasing them off/eating them. The Guillotine of the first French Republic sure did feel good until the reign of terror rolled in.

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[-] swiftcasty@kbin.social 69 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I remember seeing this argument about billionaires and corporations leaving the US if they are taxed fairly at a national level. If that were the case then 1. The US wouldn’t lose out on revenue it wasn’t losing out on already, and 2. The “free market” or the government would adapt to fill the abandoned niche.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 43 points 11 months ago

And anyplace worth living already has a higher tax rate anyway.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Besides we would all be better off if people like that left. Human happiness levels off around 110k per year, on average in the US. If there really are people who would give up all the things that make normal people happy just to add a marginal amount to their net worth, do we really want them?

We have all unfortunately met someone like this. Someone who cuts the line at an all you can eat buffet. All the food you could possibly want and they are angry that someone else might possibly get slightly more of something. And that isn't fair. Someone who has a fake job with almost no work and tries to find ways out of that even token tasks.

Let them leave.

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[-] kksgandhi@lemmy.ml 23 points 11 months ago

There are already places (in the U.S. and other countries entirely) with far, far lower taxes than MA. Why haven't rich people moved already?

[-] Djtecha@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago

Yea except I'm sure our federal government would just blow it on more missles and bullets. At least here it's doing good things like feeding kids.

[-] qbus@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Fun fact! Where do you think those missiles are designed? It's not all universities in Boston.

[-] crackajack@reddthat.com 11 points 11 months ago

It did happen to New Jersey, Norway and France. Rich people leave when you tax them. I'm not arguing against the law, but to prevent "flight of the rich", the law has to be applied universally. Or if that can't happen, do what Norway did, tax wealth flight.

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[-] Kethal@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Even if it's not implemented nation wide, there's the implication that the state is losing something by these people leaving. I suspect they're contributing little by being there though.

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[-] RalphFurley@lemmy.world 194 points 11 months ago

I voted for this. There was a lot of outright blatant lies on the commercials against this.

I forgot it even passed until my kid started kindergarten in the fall and during registration we were told starting that year all school lunches are free.

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 64 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Wow, imagine living in a functioning society... And that's just a taste.

[-] bbuez@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Holy fuck I want more

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 47 points 11 months ago

This is what you get when you curbstomp conservatives at the polls:

P R O G R E S S

[-] A7thStone@lemmy.world 69 points 11 months ago

If they want to leave then good riddance. If you aren't willing to contribute to society then go live on a deserted island.

[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 18 points 11 months ago

They tried this before with the Minerva Reefs. It was, in fact, not their land to take and they folded like a folding chair. Google it.

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[-] denast@lemm.ee 57 points 11 months ago

I'm an international student in MA, I remember getting SMS spam telling me to vote against it since it is aimed against retired people and veterans. Don't ask me how

[-] Blooper@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

Because there's probably a significant number of affected rich folks who are retirees, vets, or both. Though, the propane you saw insinuates that it's the other way around - that a significant number of retirees and vets would be targeted by the new law. It's a pretty common tactic used against dumb people who can't tell the difference. Good on you for seeing through it.

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[-] solrize@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago

This appears to be a tax on regular income, but I thought that very rich people set up their finances so that their income appeared as carried interest, capital gains, etc. Are those subject to this tax?

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 48 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

According to this article I found, capital gains count as income for Massachusetts state taxes:

https://www.svb.com/private-bank/insights/managing-taxes/latest-tax-update-understanding-and-mitigating-the-massachusetts-millionaires-tax

Edit: just realized the bank I linked to lol

[-] Iampossiblyatwork@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Capital gains is always taxed at your normal bracket for holdings less than a year old and fall under special long term brackets for holdings >1 year. Those brackets are much smaller than income.

Capital gains isn't the issue. The issue is people taking out loans against their securities or other assets at often very affordable rates (until recently). Those loans are their income, the interest on those loans are deductible and they never have to sell their assets.

As long as interest paid is lower than taxes on capital gains the behavior will never shift.

[-] Mamertine@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

For readers who want to learn more:

https://smartasset.com/investing/buy-borrow-die-how-the-rich-avoid-taxes

I heard about it last year on a podcast. It's apparently very common among the ultra wealthy.

[-] centof@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

The tax is on all taxable income not just regular wage income. Capital gains and carried interest are taxable income. They are subject to the tax if they make over the $1mil annually.

Capital gains are taxed less than regular wage income. Max capital gain rate is 20% while the max wage income tax rate is 37%.

[-] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 37 points 11 months ago

About fucking time now the feds should do the other 49 states. But we all know that will never happen.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Progressive states could! Fed states, on the other hand, are still grappling with whether or not women are considered people.

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[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

Tax them until they wanna move to Mexico... see if they prefer paying taxes over loosing a finger 🤘. Sometimes the kid nappers send a finger. If you don't pay they send the rest of the body in installments. But paying taxes is too burdensome I suppose.

[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 12 points 11 months ago

Billionaire named finger

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

People out here saying "Taxachusetts" like that's a bad thing lol!

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Article says that the wealthy are "fleeing" Mass. Even if that is true, if we did this in every state then they wouldn't have anywhere to run to. Even if they fled the United States, more power too them. If they don't want to help fund this country then they don't need to use its services.

[-] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Who knew that taxes aren't the devil?

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